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                       UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
                                        FOR THE SIXTH CIRCUIT
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                                          Debtor. -
 In re: CHARLES S. BUCCI,

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 BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE OHIO CARPENTERS’             >
 PENSION FUND ON BEHALF OF THE OHIO                   -
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 CARPENTERS’ PENSION FUND, et al.,

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 CHARLES S. BUCCI,                                    -
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                      Appeal from the United States District Court
                     for the Northern District of Ohio at Cleveland.
                   No. 06-00842—Patricia A. Gaughan, District Judge.
                                            Argued: June 7, 2007
                                     Decided and Filed: July 3, 2007
            Before: MARTIN and SUTTON, Circuit Judges; GRAHAM, District Judge.*
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                                                  COUNSEL
ARGUED: Richard L. Stoper, Jr., ROTATORI, BENDER, GRAGEL, STOPER & ALEXANDER
CO., Cleveland, Ohio, for Appellants. Keith L. Borders, RAUSER & ASSOCIATES LEGAL
CLINIC CO., Cleveland, Ohio, for Appellee. ON BRIEF: Richard L. Stoper, Jr., ROTATORI,
BENDER, GRAGEL, STOPER & ALEXANDER CO., Cleveland, Ohio, for Appellants. Keith L.
Borders, RAUSER & ASSOCIATES LEGAL CLINIC CO., Cleveland, Ohio, for Appellee.




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          The Honorable James L. Graham, United States District Judge for the Southern District of Ohio, sitting by
designation.


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                                           OPINION
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        GRAHAM, District Judge. This action presents the question of whether the United States
Bankruptcy Code excludes from discharge a debt that an employer owes for failing to contribute to
employee benefit funds. Debtor Charles S. Bucci signed a collective bargaining agreement in 2003
requiring his company, Floors by Bucci, Inc., to make monthly contributions to pension and fringe
benefit funds. Bucci admits that he failed to contribute to the funds for over a year. In 2005, he
filed a Chapter 7 bankruptcy petition.
        Appellants, who represent the various funds (the “Funds”), filed an adversary proceeding in
the bankruptcy court, seeking a declaration that Bucci’s debt could not be discharged. They argued
that his failure to contribute to the funds was a “defalcation while acting in a fiduciary capacity”
under 11 U.S.C. § 523(a)(4). The bankruptcy court held that § 523(a)(4) did not apply because there
was no evidence demonstrating Bucci acted as a fiduciary of the monies owed to the funds. On
appeal, the district court affirmed and rejected the Funds’ contention that Bucci’s status as a
fiduciary under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA) also made him a
fiduciary for purposes of § 523(a)(4)’s defalcation provision.
     Because the requirements for a defalcation under § 523(a)(4) are not met in this case, we
AFFIRM.
                                                 I.
        Bucci is the president and sole shareholder of Floors by Bucci, Inc. In February 2003, he
signed the Northeast Ohio Carpenters’ Collective Bargaining Agreement. Article XXV of the CBA
required Bucci’s company to make monthly contributions to certain pension, hospitalization, and
annuity funds. The amount of the contribution to each fund was set by a rate specified in Appendix
D to the CBA. In addition, the CBA required Bucci’s company to withhold union dues and vacation
benefits from employees’ wages. Under the CBA, wage statements provided to employees had to
indicate the amount of employer contributions and wage withholdings being made for each pay
period.
        In January 2005, Bucci filed a Chapter 7 bankruptcy petition. He scheduled a $99,000 debt
to the benefit funds for unpaid employer contributions and withholdings.
        On April 11, 2005, the boards of trustees for the Funds filed an adversary proceeding against
Bucci. The complaint alleges that Bucci should be treated as the alter ego of Floors by Bucci
because he acted as the only officer and director of the company, made all corporate decisions,
owned 100% of the company’s stock, and ignored corporate separateness from his personal financial
affairs. The complaint further alleges that from March 2003 through May 2004, Bucci failed to
make the employer contributions required by the CBA and failed to remit union dues and vacation
benefits that he had withheld from his employees’ wages. According to the complaint, Bucci owed
to the Funds $61,300 in employer contributions and $24,500 in related delinquency assessments, and
he owed $9600 in wage withholdings and $3900 in related delinquency assessments. The complaint
seeks a declaration that Bucci’s debts for unpaid contributions and withholdings are not
dischargeable in bankruptcy because they qualify as debts from defalcation and from embezzlement
under 11 U.S.C. § 523(a)(4).
        Bucci did not dispute before the bankruptcy court that he was an alter ego of Floors by Bucci
or that he had failed to pay the contributions and withholdings. The parties filed cross-motions for
summary judgment on the claims of defalcation and embezzlement. The bankruptcy court found
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that the unpaid employer contributions were not a debt from defalcation because Bucci did not act
as a fiduciary of the contributions. Citing Commonwealth Land Title Co. v. Blaszak (In re Blaszak),
397 F.3d 386 (6th Cir. 2005), the court held that a defalcation is limited to situations where the
parties to a creditor-debtor relationship intend for the debtor to act as a trustee of the monies owed.
The bankruptcy court concluded that even though Bucci had a contractual obligation to pay the
contributions, there was no evidence that Bucci acted as a trustee. The court further held that the
embezzlement provision of § 523(a)(4) did not apply because Bucci’s mere failure to pay a
contractual obligation did not constitute embezzlement. Thus, the court concluded that the debt for
unpaid employer contributions was dischargeable.
        In contrast, the bankruptcy court concluded that the debt for unpaid wage withholdings was
excluded from discharge. The court found that the CBA created a trust, with the withheld wages as
the trust res and Bucci as the trustee. In the bankruptcy court’s view, the wages Bucci withheld from
employees’ paychecks belonged to the employees as earned compensation under the CBA. Bucci
was entrusted with those wages and was required to turn them over to the union and vacation benefit
fund. The bankruptcy court therefore found that Bucci was a fiduciary of the withheld wages and
that his failure to remit the entrusted monies was a defalcation.
         Only the bankruptcy court’s ruling regarding employer contributions was appealed to the
district court. The Funds argued that the bankruptcy court should have relied on ERISA law to find
that Bucci was a fiduciary of the employer contributions. The district court rejected this argument
and held that under Blaszak, the defalcation provision does not apply unless the debtor holds the
monies in trust. The court ruled that being an fiduciary under ERISA’s broad definition of that term
is not enough. The district court found no evidence that Bucci acted as a fiduciary of the
contributions and affirmed the bankruptcy court’s decision.
          The Funds now appeal the decision of the district court. For the reasons stated below, we
affirm.
                                                  II.
        On appeal of a district court’s initial appellate review of a bankruptcy court’s decision, “this
court independently reviews the bankruptcy court’s findings of fact for clear error and its
conclusions of law de novo.” R.E. America, Inc. v. Garver (In re Garver), 116 F.3d 176, 178 (6th
Cir. 1997). Debtor Charles S. Bucci concedes that he should be treated as his company’s alter ego
and that he failed to make the monthly employer contributions the CBA required him to make. The
primary issue on appeal is whether Bucci’s debt from failing to remit the employer contributions
is excluded from discharge as a defalcation while acting in a fiduciary capacity. Also at issue is
whether Bucci’s debt is nondischargeable as an embezzlement.
        The Bankruptcy Code “does not discharge an individual debtor from any debt . . . for fraud
or defalcation while acting in a fiduciary capacity.” 11 U.S.C. § 523(a)(4). A “defalcation”
encompasses not only embezzlement and misappropriation by a fiduciary, but also the “failure to
properly account for such funds.” Capitol Indemnity Corp. v. Interstate Agency, Inc. (In re
Interstate Agency), 760 F.2d 121, 125 (6th Cir. 1985) (internal quotations omitted). A debt is
nondischargeable as a defalcation when the preponderance of the evidence establishes: “(1) a pre-
existing fiduciary relationship; (2) breach of that fiduciary relationship; and (3) a resulting loss.”
In re Blaszak, 397 F.3d at 390.
        The Sixth Circuit “construes the term ‘fiduciary capacity’ found in the defalcation provision
of § 523(a)(4) more narrowly than the term is used in other circumstances.” In re Blaszak, 397 F.3d
at 391. In Carlisle Cashway, Inc. v. Johnson (In re Johnson), 691 F.2d 249, 251-52 (6th Cir. 1982),
and In re Interstate Agency, 760 F.2d at 125, we limited the application of the defalcation provision
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to express or technical trusts and refused to extend it to constructive or implied trusts imposed by
operation of law as a matter of equity. The decisions in those cases relied on the Supreme Court’s
holding in Davis v. Aetna Acceptance Co., 293 U.S. 328, 333, 55 S.Ct. 151, 153 (1934), that the
defalcation provision applies only to express or technical trusts. Again in In re Garver, we adopted
a narrow definition of the defalcation provision and held that it does not apply to someone who
merely fails to meet an obligation under a common law fiduciary relationship. In re Garver, 116
F.3d at 179 (“The attorney-client relationship, without more, is insufficient to establish the necessary
fiduciary relationship for defalcation under § 523(a)(4).”). Accordingly, the defalcation provision
applies to “only those situations involving an express or technical trust relationship arising from
placement of a specific res in the hands of the debtor.” In re Garver, 116 F.3d at 180.
         To establish the existence of an express or technical trust, a creditor must demonstrate:
“(1) an intent to create a trust; (2) a trustee; (3) a trust res; and (4) a definite beneficiary.” In re
Blaszak, 397 F.3d at 391-92 (citing Graffice v. Grim (In re Grim), 293 B.R. 156, 166 (Bankr. N.D.
Ohio 2003)). Though the court in In re Blaszak spoke of “an intent to create a trust,” it is clear in
this circuit that a statute may create a trust for purposes of § 523(a)(4) if that statute defines the trust
res, imposes duties on the trustee, and those duties exist prior to any act of wrongdoing. The court
held in In re Johnson that Michigan’s Building Contract Fund Act created a trust relationship
sufficient to satisfy the express or technical trust requirement. The Act defined the trust res as all
payments made to a contractor for the benefit of laborers, subcontractors, or materialmen. In re
Johnson, 691 F.2d at 252. The Act defined the contractor as the trustee and imposed on the
contractor a duty to “use the money in the building contract fund to first pay laborers, subcontractors
and materialmen on the particular project for which the funds were deposited before he uses the
funds for any other purpose.” Id. The fiduciary relationship established by the Act arose when a
payment was made to a contractor, not whenever a contractor misappropriated the funds; thus, the
Act imposed duties on the trustee prior to any act of wrongdoing. Id. (“[S]tatutes which impose a
trust ex-maleficio are not within the scope of [the defalcation provision] since such trusts only arise
upon an act of misappropriation.”). The court therefore concluded that the Act imposed a trust
relationship that satisfied the Bankruptcy Code’s defalcation provision. Id. See also In re Interstate
Agency, 760 F.2d at 124-25 (finding that an express trust was created by a state statute requiring
insurance agents to hold premium payments received from an insured in trust and turn them over
to the insurance company principal).
        The Funds argue that an express trust was created here under ERISA. They contend that the
employer contributions were plan assets under ERISA and constituted the trust res. They further
argue that Bucci met the definition of an ERISA trustee because he exercised control over the assets
by choosing to not pay the contributions. See Moore v. LaFayette Life Ins. Co., 458 F.3d 416, 438
(6th Cir. 2006) (definition of a fiduciary under ERISA includes person “who exercises discretionary
control or authority over a plan’s management, administration, or assets.”). According to the Funds,
ERISA imposed on Bucci certain management duties requiring him to hold the plan assets for the
benefit of his employees.
         In support of the proposition that being an ERISA fiduciary is sufficient to satisfy the
fiduciary capacity requirement of § 523(a)(4), the Funds cite Blyler v. Hemmeter (In re Hemmeter),
242 F.3d 1186 (9th Cir. 2001). There, the Ninth Circuit held that an ERISA fiduciary is also a
fiduciary under § 523(a)(4). The court reasoned that “ERISA satisfies the traditional requirements
for a statutory fiduciary to qualify as a fiduciary under § 523(a)(4).” In re Hemmeter, 242 F.3d at
1190. The court found that ERISA defined the trust res and identified the fiduciary’s duties. Several
other courts have also held that being a fiduciary under ERISA law satisfies the fiduciary capacity
element of § 523(a)(4). See Chao v. Duncan (In re Duncan), 331 B.R. 70, 82 (Bankr. E.D.N.Y.
2005); Weaver v. Weston (In re Weston), 307 B.R. 340, 343 (Bankr. D.N.H. 2004); Morgan v.
Musgrove (In re Musgrove), 187 B.R. 808, 814 (Bankr. N.D. Ga. 1995).
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         Other courts have disagreed and held that an being an ERISA fiduciary is not itself sufficient
to satisfy the fiduciary capacity element of § 523(a)(4). In Hunter v. Philpott, 373 F.3d 873 (8th Cir.
2004), the debtor, Philpott, co-owned a corporation that was required under a collective bargaining
agreement to make employer contributions to certain employee benefit funds. The corporation failed
to make those contributions, and the Funds sought a determination that Philpott’s obligations to the
Funds were nondischargeable as a defalcation under § 523(a)(4). The Eighth Circuit rejected the
holding in In re Hemmeter:
       We are not satisfied that the simple determination that an individual is an ERISA
       fiduciary is enough to satisfy the requirements of § 523(a)(4). Instead, we believe
       that the prior holdings of our court and the United States Supreme Court require that
       we look specifically at the property that is alleged to have been defalcated to
       determine whether Philpott was legally obligated to hold that specific property for
       the benefit of the Funds.
Hunter, 373 F.3d at 875 (citing Davis, 293 U.S. 328, 55 S.Ct. 151, and Barclay’s American/Business
Credit, Inc. v. Long (In re Long), 774 F.2d 875, 878 (8th Cir. 1985)). The court noted that “[s]imply
possessing property to which an ERISA plan asserts a claim does not place one in a fiduciary
relationship with the plan.” Id. at 876. An alleged trustee must have fiduciary duties that preexist
“‘the incident creating the contested debt and apart from it. It is not enough that the trust
relationship spring from the act from which the debt arose.’” Id. at 877 (quoting Devaney v. Dloogoff
(In re Dloogoff), 600 F.2d 166, 168 (8th Cir. 1979)). Section 523(a)(4) was not satisfied because
Philpott’s alleged duties to the Funds arose out of the wrongful act – his failure to pay – that created
the debt. Id. The “the substance of the relationship” was therefore “contractual, not fiduciary, in
nature.” Id. See also Navarre v. Luna (In re Luna), 406 F.3d 1192, 1205 (10th Cir. 2005) (“[A]
delinquent employer-contributor [to a collectively-bargained ERISA plan] is merely a debtor, not
a fiduciary.”).
       Other courts have likewise held that ERISA fiduciaries do not necessarily act in a fiduciary
capacity for purposes of § 523(a)(4). See Mo-Kan Iron Workers Pension Fund v. Engleman (In re
Engleman), 271 B.R. 366, 370 (Bankr. W.D. Mo. 2001) (holding that § 523(a)(4) requires more than
an employer’s contractual duty to contribute to benefit funds; employer had no control over the
contributions once they were paid to the funds); Int’l Bhd. of Elec. Workers, Local Union No. 602
v. Bryant (In re Bryant), 73 B.R. 956, 958-59 (Bankr. N.D.Tex. 1987) (“The fact that [ERISA]
makes an employer a ‘fiduciary’ under an Employee Welfare Benefit Plan, does not raise the
employer’s status to a fiduciary for bankruptcy discharge purposes.”); Schrimsher v. Nielsen (In re
Nielsen), 53 B.R. 289, 291 (Bankr. N.D. Ala. 1985).
        As noted above, the Sixth Circuit has repeatedly construed “the term ‘fiduciary capacity’
found in the defalcation provision of § 523(a)(4) more narrowly than the term is used in other
circumstances.” In re Blaszak, 397 F.3d at 391. This definition does not match the definition of an
ERISA fiduciary. While § 523(a)(4) does not extend to someone who fails to meet an obligation
under a common law fiduciary relationship, In re Garver, 116 F.3d at 179, the definition of a
fiduciary under ERISA is “broader than the common-law definition, and does not turn on formal
designations such as who is the trustee.” Smith v. Provident Bank, 170 F.3d 609, 613 (6th Cir.
1999); accord Moore, 458 F.3d at 438; Custer v. Pan American Life Ins. Co., 12 F.3d 410, 418 n.3
(4th Cir. 1993) (stating that ERISA definition of fiduciary is “broader than the common law concept
of a trustee”). The court’s narrow construction of the defalcation provision is consistent with the
general rule that exceptions to discharge in § 523(a) must be narrowly construed. See Myers v. IRS
(In re Myers), 196 F.3d 622, 624 (6th Cir. 1999); XL/Datacomp, Inc. v. Wilson (In re Omegas
Group, Inc.), 16 F.3d 1443, 1452 (6th Cir. 1994). It is also consistent with the Supreme Court’s
holding in Davis that “[i]t is not enough that, by the very act of wrongdoing out of which the
contested debt arose, the bankrupt has become chargeable as a trustee ex maleficio. He must have
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been a trustee before the wrong and without reference thereto.” Davis, 293 U.S. at 333, 55 S.Ct. at
154. See also Quaif v. Johnson, 4 F.3d 950, 953 (11th Cir. 1993) (citing Davis in stating that the
“Supreme Court has consistently held that the term ‘fiduciary’ is not to be construed expansively”
for purposes of § 523(a)(4)).
        This court agrees with Hunter that a court should examine the substance of the alleged
fiduciary relationship to determine if the requirements for a defalcation are satisfied. See Cash
America Fin. Serv., Inc. v. Fox (In re Fox), __ B.R. __, 2007 WL 1693063, at *7 (6th Cir. B.A.P.
2007) (“‘It is the substance of a transaction, rather than the labels assigned by the parties, which
determines whether there is a fiduciary relationship for bankruptcy purposes.’”) (quoting In re Long,
774 F.2d at 878-79). We made clear in In re Johnson that “the requisite trust relationship must exist
prior to the act creating the debt and without reference to it.” In re Johnson, 691 F.2d at 252 (citing
Davis, 293 U.S. at 333-34, 55 S.Ct. at 153-54). The court in both In re Johnson and In re Interstate
Agency examined the state statutes at issue and found that they established the requisite trust
relationship because they imposed trusts existing separate from the act of wrongdoing and
independent of any contractual obligation to make a payment.
         Here, the parties entered into three identical trust agreements pursuant to the CBA. Each
trust agreement created a “Trust Fund” whose assets included “all funds received or due to be
received by the Trustees in the form of Employer Contributions (including delinquent Employer
Contributions) . . . .” Trust Agr., Art. I, Sec. 16 (J.A. 193). Neither the bankruptcy court nor the
district court below addressed the issue of whether the employer contributions qualified as ERISA
plan assets. Traditionally, the “proper rule, developed by caselaw, is that unpaid employer
contributions are not assets of a fund unless the agreement between the fund and the employer
specifically and clearly declares otherwise.” ITPE Pension Fund v. Hall, 334 F.3d 1011, 1013 (11th
Cir. 2003) (footnotes omitted). In the face of this rule, parties, like the ones here, have crafted
language expressly stating that contributions due to be received are assets belonging to the fund.
Courts examining such language have found that unpaid contributions are plan assets. See, e.g.,
Trustees of Conn. Pipe Trades Local 777 Health Fund v. Nettleton Mech. Contractors, Inc., 478
F.Supp.2d 279, 283 (D. Conn. 2007); Trustees of the S. Cal. Pipe Trades Health and Welfare Trust
Fund v. Temecula Mech., Inc., 438 F.Supp.2d 1156, 1163 (C.D. Ca. 2006). For the sake of
argument, the court will assume that the unpaid employer contributions here qualified as ERISA
plan assets.
        The Funds do not argue that the trust agreements made Bucci a trustee. Indeed, in the cross-
motion for summary judgment they filed in bankruptcy court, the Funds attached only the
“Definitions” section of the trust agreements; they did not include the section of the agreements that
designated the trustee. The Funds instead argue that Bucci was a fiduciary under ERISA because
he exercised control over the plan assets. See 29 U.S.C. § 1002(21)(A)(i); Moore, 458 F.3d at 438
(definition of an ERISA fiduciary includes a person “who exercises discretionary control or
authority” over a plan’s assets). The Funds argue that Bucci exercised control over the plan assets
when he chose not to pay the contributions, and they rely on U.S. v. Panepinto, 818 F.Supp. 48, 52
(E.D.N.Y. 1993), where the court found that “[o]nce the defendants knowingly failed to make
required contributions to the Funds, they exercised control respecting the disposition of the assets
of an employee welfare benefit plan.” See also LoPresti v. Terwilliger, 126 F.3d 34, 40 (2d Cir.
1997) (holding that an employer became an ERISA fiduciary when he opted not to pay employer
contributions to the Funds).
        The Funds’ argument illustrates the problem with treating a debtor’s status as an ERISA
fiduciary as alone being sufficient to create an express or technical trust for purposes of § 523(a)(4).
The act that created the debt – Bucci’s breach of his contractual obligation to pay the employer
contributions – is also the exercise of control that the Funds allege made Bucci an ERISA fiduciary.
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But for a trust relationship to satisfy § 523(a)(4), the alleged fiduciary must have duties that preexist
the act creating the debt. Davis, 293 U.S. at 333, 55 S.Ct. at 154; In re Johnson, 691 F.2d at 252.
        The Funds’ reliance on Iron Workers’ Local No. 25 Pension Fund v. McGuire Steel Erection,
Inc., 352 F.Supp.2d 794 (E.D. Mich. 2004) does not help their argument. In Iron Workers, the court
held that unpaid employer contributions became ERISA plan assets when the contributions became
due. Iron Workers, 352 F.Supp.2d at 804. The court further held that the employer “acted as an
ERISA fiduciary to the extent he exercised any authority or discretion over the disposition of those
contributions and withholdings after they became due.” Id. at 805. The holding in Iron Workers
serves to underscore the problem: if an employer failing to pay contributions becomes an ERISA
fiduciary only after the contributions are due, then the trust relationship springs from the act from
which the debt arose. Such a trust relationship does not create an express or technical trust for
purposes of § 523(a)(4).
        In their reply brief, the Funds fall back on the argument that Bucci’s possession of trust
assets, as opposed to his failure to pay them, is what made him an ERISA fiduciary. However,
“ERISA’s statutory definition will not extend fiduciary status to every person who exercises mere
possession, or custody over the plans’ assets.” Briscoe v. Fine, 444 F.3d 478, 494 (6th Cir. 2006)
(internal quotations omitted); see also Hunter, 373 F.3d at 875. An exercise of control is necessary,
but the only exercise of control alleged by the Funds is the same act that created the debt.
         The key point for bankruptcy purposes, however, is that Bucci had only a contractual
obligation to pay the employer contributions. This is not enough, for “the debtor must hold funds
in trust for a third party to satisfy the fiduciary relationship element of the defalcation provision of
§ 523(a)(4).” In re Garver, 116 F.3d at 179. As the bankruptcy and district courts below correctly
found, there is no evidence on the record establishing that Bucci was the trustee of the employer
contributions. Therefore, the defalcation provision of § 523(a)(4) does not apply.
        The court further finds that the embezzlement provision of § 523(a)(4) does not apply. “A
creditor proves embezzlement by showing that he entrusted his property to the debtor, the debtor
appropriated the property for a use other than that for which it was entrusted, and the circumstances
indicate fraud.” Brady v. McAllister (In re Brady), 101 F.3d 1165, 1173 (6th Cir. 1996). The Funds
argue that Bucci was entrusted with the employer contributions and that he appropriated them for
another use by failing to pay them. The bankruptcy court found no evidence that the Funds
entrusted Bucci with the unpaid employer contributions. On appeal, the Funds fail to point to any
provision in the trust agreements or any other authority demonstrating that the unpaid employer
contributions were entrusted to Bucci. The court agrees with the bankruptcy court that a breach of
contract, without more, is not embezzlement.
                                                  III.
        For these reasons, we affirm.
