                     United States Court of Appeals
                            FOR THE EIGHTH CIRCUIT
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                                   No. 03-3275
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United States of America,              *
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            Plaintiff - Appellee,      *
                                       * Appeal from the United States
     v.                                * District Court for the
                                       * District of North Dakota.
Robert F. Lippman,                     *
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            Defendant - Appellant.     *
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                             Submitted: March 11, 2004

                                  Filed: May 27, 2004
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Before MURPHY, SMITH, and COLLOTON, Circuit Judges.
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MURPHY, Circuit Judge.

       Robert F. Lippman was convicted by a jury of possession of a firearm by an
individual subject to a domestic violence restraining order, in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 922(g)(8). After granting a downward departure, the district court1 sentenced
Lippman to eight months imprisonment. On his appeal, Lippman argues that the
district court should have given two jury instructions he requested and that
§ 922(g)(8) is unconstitutional. We affirm.

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        The Honorable Daniel L. Hovland, Chief Judge, United States District Court
for the District of North Dakota.
       Lippman and Edward Johannesen attempted to drive into Canada from Portal,
North Dakota shortly after midnight on May 3, 2002, but they were denied entry.
United States customs agents suspected that the two were drunk or under the
influence of some other substance, and they conducted a routine customs inspection.
They discovered two loaded firearms in Johannesen's van. A 9mm KELTEC pistol
was found under the front passenger seat where Lippman was sitting, and a .410
gauge revolver was discovered in a green duffle bag behind that seat. Johannesen
told the agents that the firearms were his and later produced receipts showing that he
had purchased them. Lippman admitted that he owned the green duffle bag.

       After the firearms were discovered, customs officials contacted the Burke
County Sheriff's Department, which did a background check on the two men. It
revealed a domestic violence restraining order entered against Lippman on February
3, 2000 in California and a misdemeanor arrest warrant for his arrest. Lippman and
Johannesen were arrested for carrying loaded firearms in a vehicle and transported
to the Mountrail County jail. Lippman was released from jail the next day after
pleading guilty to a state charge of possession of a loaded .410 gauge Thunder Fire
revolver in a motor vehicle.

       Agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms interviewed
Lippman and Johannesen on August 6, 2002, after learning that Lippman had been
convicted of possessing a firearm while he was subject to a domestic violence
restraining order. Lippman told the agents that the green bag was his and that he had
known Johannesen's firearms were in the vehicle. When asked about the restraining
order, Lippman admitted that he was aware of it but that he did not think it prohibited
him from possessing a firearm.

      The restraining order against Lippman was the result of an application and
declaration his former girlfriend had filed on January 13, 2000. Lippman was served
with notice of the application and appeared with the applicant before a California

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state judge on February 3, 2000. The court was prepared to hear evidence at that
time, but Lippman agreed to stipulate to entry of a restraining order even though he
said he disagreed with the factual allegations in the application. The judge took note
of his statement and issued the restraining order based on Lippman's stipulation.
Lippman says that the judge did not inform him that possessing firearms while subject
to the restraining order would violate federal law, but he admits that he was given a
copy of the order and that it included notice of the firearms restriction.2 Since the
expiration date of the restraining order was February 2, 2003, it still was in effect on
May 3, 2002 when the guns were found under Lippman's seat and in his duffle bag.

      On September 13, 2002 Lippman was indicted for possession of firearms by
a person subject to a domestic violence restraining order, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §
922(g)(8). A jury returned a guilty verdict, and the district court sentenced him to
eight months imprisonment after finding his case to be outside the heartland of such
offenses and granting a downward departure under United States Sentencing
Guidelines § 5K2.0. Lippman appeals, arguing that his conviction should be
overturned because the court failed to give two jury instructions he proposed and
because the statute under which he was convicted is unconstitutional.




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       The restraining order stated,

                        NOTICE REGARDING FIREARMS
             Any person subject to a restraining order is prohibited from
             purchasing or attempting to purchase, receiving or
             attempting to receive, or otherwise obtaining a firearm.
             Such conduct is subject to a $1,000 fine and imprisonment.
             Under federal law, the issuance of a restraining order after
             hearing will generally prohibit the restrained person from
             owning, accepting, transporting, or possessing firearms or
             ammunition. A violation of this prohibition is a separate
             federal crime.
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       Section 922(g)(8) states that it is unlawful for a person to possess a firearm
when that individual is subject to a domestic violence restraining order "issued after
a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had
an opportunity to participate."

      Lippman requested that the district court instruct the jury that the hearing
required under 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) is a proceeding in which witnesses testify and
evidence is received.3 The court's instruction defined hearing in this way:

      The term "hearing" means an actual judicial proceeding, usually open to
      the public, held for the purpose of deciding issues of fact or law,
      sometimes with witnesses testifying, during which the parties had notice
      and opportunity to participate.

Lippman contends that the jury instruction should have required that evidence
actually have been presented at the hearing. We review the denial of a requested jury
instruction for abuse of discretion. United States v. Gary, 341 F.3d 829, 834 (8th Cir.
2003).

       The statute states what is required for a hearing under § 922(g)(8). A hearing
requires actual notice and an opportunity to be heard, but the statute does not require
that evidence actually have been offered or witnesses called. As the Seventh Circuit
explained in United States v. Wilson, 159 F.3d 280, 291-92 (7th Cir. 1998), "hearing"
and "opportunity to participate" are not arcane legal terms incomprehensible to the


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       Lippman's proposed jury instruction read:

             The term "hearing" means a proceeding of relative
             formality, generally public, with definite issues of fact or
             of law to be tried, in which witnesses are heard and
             evidence presented.


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general public, and no further definition is needed for the jury. We agree. The
district court did not abuse its discretion by its instruction or by refusing to give the
one proposed by Lippman.

       Lippman relies on a Fifth Circuit decision, United States v. Spruill, 292 F.3d
207 (5th Cir. 2002), to support his argument that § 922(g)(8) requires that an
evidentiary hearing have actually been held. The restraining order in Spruill had not
been issued after a hearing of which the respondent had received actual notice as
required by § 922(g)(8), and the court did not rule that an evidentiary hearing must
have been held. See id. at 208. The defendant there had never received notice of a
hearing, never appeared before a judge, and never had any opportunity to participate
because a hearing was not scheduled or convened. Id. at 216-17. Here, Lippman
received notice of the hearing and appeared before a judge who was prepared to hear
evidence. More on point is another Fifth Circuit case which held that a hearing had
been held even though no witnesses had been called and no evidence had been
presented, but the defendant had had the opportunity to put on evidence. United
States v. Banks, 339 F.3d 267, 271 (5th Cir. 2003).

       Lippman's other complaint about the jury instructions is that the district court
should have given his proposed instruction that the United States had to prove that
he knew both that he possessed a firearm and that such possession was prohibited by
his restraining order.4 He contends that the penalty section of the statute, § 924(a)(2),
requires that the defendant have knowingly violated § 922(g)(8).

      We have already held in United States v. Hutzell, 217 F.3d 966, 968 (8th Cir.
2000), that the penalty provisions in § 924(a)(2) do not "'require knowledge of the
law nor an intent to violate it'" for a defendant to be convicted under § 922(g). The
defendant in Hutzell was convicted under § 922(g)(9) for possessing a firearm after

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       The district court's instruction stated that the jury could convict Lippman if it
found that he knew he possessed a gun.
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having been convicted of a domestic violence offense, and that conviction, just like
Lippman's offense under § 922(g)(8), was subject to the penalty provisions in
§ 924(a)(2). We see no reason why the reasoning of Hutzell should not apply here,
and Lippman does not cite any case which has applied the knowledge requirement
that he urges. Every circuit court that has addressed the application of § 924(a)(2) to
§ 922(g)(8) has rejected such a requirement, see, e.g., United States v. Kafka, 222
F.3d 1129, 1131 (9th Cir. 2000); United States v. Wilson, 159 F.3d 280, 289 (7th Cir.
1998).5 We conclude that the district court did not abuse its discretion by not giving
Lippman's proposed jury instruction.

       Finally, Lippman argues that his conviction should be reversed because
§ 922(g)(8) is unconstitutional. The district court denied Lippman's constitutional
claim in a pretrial order and again in its order denying his motion for stay of sentence
and release pending appeal. The district court held that the Second Amendment does
not protect an individual right to bear arms, but that even if it did, Lippman had not
shown that he would succeed with his constitutional argument. To succeed, the court
said, he would have had to show that the statutory restriction of his right was not
narrowly tailored or unreasonable in scope, citing United States v. Emerson, 270 F.3d
203, 261 (5th Cir. 2001). Lippman contends that the Second Amendment protects his
individual right to bear arms and that the district court erred in its conclusion that §
922(g)(8) does not impermissibly infringe on that right. Our standard of review here
is de novo. United States v. Koons, 300 F.3d 985, 990 (8th Cir. 2002).

       Lippman contends that this circuit recognized in Hutzell, 217 F.3d at 969, that
the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms, and that the district
court should have applied a strict scrutiny standard which he says the Fifth Circuit


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       Several other circuit courts have rejected a similar argument based on due
process grounds. See, e.g., Kafka, 222 F.3d at 1131; Wilson, 159 F.3d at 289; United
States v. Reddick, 203 F.3d 767, 770 (10th Cir. 2000); United States v. Baker, 197
F.3d 211, 219-20 (6th Cir. 1999).
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used in Emerson. He also argues that § 922(g)(8) is not narrowly tailored as applied
to him because he has not been found to pose a real threat or danger to others.

       The United States counters that § 922(g)(8) is constitutional and that exactly
how the Second Amendment right is defined is less important than whether
§ 922(g)(8) is an appropriate limitation on it. Citing Emerson, the government argues
that § 922(g)(8) is an appropriate limitation because reducing domestic violence is
a compelling government interest and the restraining order against Lippman was
tailored to fit that interest because it was limited in duration, included a no contact
provision, and specifically identified the person to be protected.

       In a line of cases starting with United States v. Synnes, 438 F.2d 764, 772 (8th
Cir. 1971), we have held that the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms
when it is reasonably related to the maintenance of a well regulated militia. See, e.g.,
United States v. Wilson, 315 F.3d 972, 973-74 (8th Cir. 2003); United States v.
Lewis, 236 F.3d 948, 950 (8th Cir. 2001); United States v. Smith, 171 F.3d 617, 624
(8th Cir. 1999); United States v. Farrell, 69 F.3d 891, 894 (8th Cir. 1995); United
States v. Hale, 978 F.2d 1016, 1020 (8th Cir. 1992); United States v. Nelson, 859
F.2d 1318, 1320 (8th Cir. 1988); Cody v. United States, 460 F.2d 34, 37 (8th Cir.
1972). Hutzell is no exception because it cited United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174,
178-79 (1939), in connection with the right to bear arms, and the Supreme Court held
in Miller that the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms in "some
reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia."
Id. Nor could a panel of the court overrule our line of cases. See, e.g., Wilson, 315
F.3d at 973-74 (only the court en banc can overrule circuit precedent). Since
Lippman has not shown that his firearm possession was reasonably related to a well
regulated militia, his Second Amendment argument cannot succeed.

       Even if the circuit had ruled that the Second Amendment protects a
freestanding individual right to bear arms, Lippman would not prevail with his

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argument that § 922(g)(8) is unconstitutional as applied to him. He argues that we
should follow the Fifth Circuit in Emerson and apply a strict scrutiny analysis, but the
court's inquiry there actually focused on whether the alleged infringement under
§ 922(g)(8) was narrowly tailored and reasonable. See 270 F.3d at 261. The court
concluded that the statute is constitutional even though it does not require an express
finding that the defendant posed a threat to others at the time the domestic violence
restraining order was entered. Id. at 264-65. We agree with that conclusion. We also
conclude that the restraining order issued against Lippman was narrowly tailored to
restrict his firearm possession for a limited duration and to protect the individual
applicant and that Congress had a compelling government interest in enacting
§ 922(g)(8) to decrease domestic violence.

       Other case law is also not favorable to Lippman's argument. No circuit court
which has addressed the question has found § 922(g)(8) unconstitutional under the
Second Amendment. See, e.g., United States v. Bayles, 310 F.3d 1302, 1307 (10th
Cir. 2002) (holding that the Second Amendment protects the right to possess firearms
only if reasonably related to a well regulated militia); United States v. Hinestroza, 297
F.3d 924, 927 (9th Cir. 2002) (holding that the Second Amendment does not
guarantee an individual right to bear arms); United States v. Napier, 233 F.3d 394,
402-03 (6th Cir. 2000) (same); Emerson, 270 F.3d at 264-65. Further, it is well
established that Congress did not violate the Second Amendment in enacting 18
U.S.C. § 922(g). See, e.g., Wilson, 315 F.3d at 973; United States v. Waller, 218
F.3d 856, 856 (8th Cir. 2000) (per curiam).

      For these reasons, we affirm the judgment of the district court.

COLLOTON, Circuit Judge, concurring in part and concurring in the judgment.

       I concur in the opinion of the court insofar as it rejects Lippman's challenges
to the district court's jury instructions, and I concur in the judgment affirming the

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district court. I do not join all of the court's discussion concerning the Second
Amendment, because I would resolve Lippman's constitutional claim on narrower
grounds.

        Both parties in this case agree that the Second Amendment protects the right
of an individual to bear arms. Lippman observes that a recent panel of this court,
citing the Supreme Court's decision in United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174, 178-79
(1939), said that "an individual's right to bear arms is constitutionally protected."
United States v. Hutzell, 217 F.3d 966, 969 (8th Cir. 2000). Lippman argues,
therefore, that "the right protected in the Second Amendment is an individual one, not
a 'collective' one," and that it is "enjoyed by individuals, as opposed to states." (Brief
of Appellant at 22, 26). As explained recently by the Solicitor General, the United
States also interprets Miller and the Constitution's text and history to mean that "the
Second Amendment protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not
members of any militia or engaged in military service or training, to possess and bear
their own firearm, subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession
by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly
suited to criminal use." (App. 335, Brief for the United States in Opposition to
Petition for Writ of Certiorari, Emerson v. United States, No. 01-8780 (U.S.), filed
May 2002). Accordingly, the government in this case relies on the district court's
alternative holding that the prohibition of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) is a narrowly tailored
and reasonable restriction on an individual right to bear arms. (Brief of Appellee at
20-21).

       The court rejects Lippman's constitutional claim on the ground that under
circuit precedent, the Second Amendment protects the bearing of arms only when it
is "reasonably related to the maintenance of a well regulated militia." By this phrase,
the court appears to mean that the Constitution protects the right to possess and bear
arms only for a member of an organized state militia or for one who is engaged in
active military service or training. See United States v. Hale, 978 F.2d 1016, 1020

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(8th Cir. 1992); United States v. Nelson, 859 F.2d 1318, 1320 (8th Cir. 1988).
Consistent with the current position of the United States, the United States Attorney
has declined to rely on these precedents, heeding direction from the Attorney General
that "[j]ustice is best achieved, not by making any available argument that might win
a case, but by vigorously enforcing federal law in a manner that heeds the commands
of the Constitution." (App. 339, Memorandum from Attorney General Ashcroft to
All United States Attorneys, Nov. 9, 2001) (citing Berger v. United States, 295 U.S.
78, 88 (1935)).

       It is an interesting question whether a prior panel decision binds a subsequent
panel if both parties believe that the precedent is incorrect and decline to invoke it.
Cf. United States v. Woods, 364 F.3d 1000, 1001 (8th Cir. 2004) (per curiam). I need
not dwell on that conundrum here, because Lippman's constitutional claim also fails
under the more expansive interpretation of the Second Amendment advanced by the
parties. I would resolve Lippman's claim by assuming that the Second Amendment
protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, and then examining whether the
restriction imposed by § 922(g)(8) is a permissible regulation of that right. For the
reasons stated by the court in its alternative holding, ante at 7-8, and by the Fifth
Circuit in United States v. Emerson, 270 F.3d 203, 260-64 (5th Cir. 2001), cert.
denied, 536 U.S. 907 (2002), I conclude that the prohibition on possession of a
firearm by a person subject to a domestic violence restraining order is constitutional.
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