                                  Illinois Official Reports

                                          Supreme Court




                                People v. Tousignant, 2014 IL 115329




Caption in Supreme           THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, Appellant, v.
Court:                       MITCHELL TOUSIGNANT, Appellee.



Docket No.                   115329




Filed                        February 21, 2014




Held                         Where a defendant who pled guilty was unsuccessful on his motion for
(Note: This syllabus         sentence reconsideration after his attorney certified to the court that
constitutes no part of the   there had been a Rule 604(d) consultation as to sentencing only, a
opinion of the court but     subsequent appeal was properly remanded for an opportunity for a
has been prepared by the     new hearing based on a certification of consultation as to any defects
Reporter of Decisions        in the plea itself.
for the convenience of
the reader.)




Decision Under               Appeal from the Appellate Court for the Fourth District; heard in that
Review                       court on appeal from the Circuit Court of Livingston County, the Hon.
                             Mark Fellheimer, Judge, presiding.



Judgment                     Affirmed.
     Counsel on              Lisa Madigan, Attorney General, of Springfield, and Seth Uphoff,
     Appeal                  State’s Attorney, of Pontiac (Michael A. Scodro, Solicitor General,
                             and Michael M. Glick and Brian McLeish, Assistant Attorneys
                             General, of Chicago, and Patrick Delfino and Robert J. Biderman, of
                             the Office of the State’s Attorneys Appellate Prosecutor, of
                             Springfield, of counsel), for the People.

                             Michael J. Pelletier, State Appellate Defender, Karen Munoz, Deputy
                             Defender, and Nancy L. Vincent, Assistant Deputy Defender, of the
                             Office of the State Appellate Defender, of Springfield, for appellee.




     Justices                JUSTICE FREEMAN delivered the judgment of the court, with
                             opinion.
                             Chief Justice Garman and Justice Burke concurred in the judgment
                             and opinion.
                             Justice Thomas specially concurred, with opinion.
                             Justice Karmeier dissented, with opinion, joined by Justices Kilbride
                             and Theis.



                                              OPINION

¶1         Defendant Mitchell Tousignant pleaded guilty to unlawful possession of a controlled
       substance with intent to deliver and was sentenced to 12 years’ imprisonment. Defendant’s
       counsel filed a motion to reconsider the sentence, and the circuit court of Livingston County
       denied the motion. A divided panel of the appellate court reversed and remanded, holding that
       counsel’s certificate pursuant to Supreme Court Rule 604(d) was not in strict compliance with
       the rule. 2012 IL App (4th) 120650-U, ¶ 15. We allowed the State’s petition for leave to
       appeal, and now affirm the judgment of the appellate court.

¶2                                           BACKGROUND
¶3        In December 2011 defendant entered an open plea of guilty to unlawful delivery of a
       controlled substance (720 ILCS 570/401(d) (West 2010)) (count I) and unlawful possession
       with intent to deliver a controlled substance (720 ILCS 570/401(c)(1) (West 2010)) (count II).
       The circuit court merged the counts and entered a conviction on count II. In April 2012, the
       court sentenced defendant to 12 years’ imprisonment.


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¶4       On May 3, 2012, defendant’s counsel filed a motion to reconsider the sentence, alleging it
     was “excessive.” On the same day, counsel filed a certificate pursuant to Illinois Supreme
     Court Rule 604(d) (eff. July 1, 2006), which stated:
              “NOW COMES [defense counsel], attorney for Defendant herein and states that he has
              consulted with the Defendant in person to ascertain Defendant’s contentions of error in
              the sentence imposed herein, has examined the trial court file and the Court
              proceedings of the plea of guilty, and has made any amendments to the motion
              necessary for adequate presentation of any defects in those proceedings.”
     At the hearing on the motion, defendant asked that his sentence be reduced from 12 years to 7
     years so he would be immediately eligible for a drug treatment program. The circuit court
     denied the motion, and defendant appealed.
¶5       The appellate court noted that while counsel’s certificate stated that counsel consulted with
     defendant about defendant’s contentions of error in the sentence, it did not state that counsel
     consulted with defendant about defendant’s contentions of error in the guilty plea. “[N]othing
     shows counsel consulted with defendant to determine contentions of error outside of the
     motion to reconsider sentence.” 2012 IL App (4th) 120650-U, ¶ 13. Concluding that counsel’s
     certificate did not strictly comply with Rule 604(d), the court reversed the circuit court’s
     judgment and remanded for “(1) the filing of a new postplea motion (if defendant so wishes),
     (2) a new hearing on defendant’s postplea motion, and (3) strict compliance with Rule 604(d)
     requirements.” Id. ¶ 15. The dissent asserted, to the contrary, that counsel’s certificate strictly
     complied with the plain language of Rule 604(d), which “does not require defense counsel to
     state it ascertained defendant’s contentions from both the entry of the plea and sentencing but,
     rather, requires counsel to state he or she ascertained contentions from only one of them.” Id.
     ¶ 18 (Turner, P.J., dissenting).

¶6                                           ANALYSIS
¶7       The issue here is whether Rule 604(d) requires counsel to certify that he consulted with the
     defendant regarding defendant’s contentions of error in the sentence and the guilty plea, or
     only regarding contentions of error relevant to the defendant’s post-plea motion. Rule 604(d)
     provides, in pertinent part:
                 “(d) Appeal by Defendant From a Judgment Entered Upon a Plea of Guilty. No
            appeal from a judgment entered upon a plea of guilty shall be taken unless the
            defendant, within 30 days of the date on which sentence is imposed, files in the trial
            court a motion to reconsider the sentence, if only the sentence is being challenged, or, if
            the plea is being challenged, a motion to withdraw the plea of guilty and vacate the
            judgment. *** The defendant’s attorney shall file with the trial court a certificate
            stating that the attorney has consulted with the defendant either by mail or in person to
            ascertain defendant’s contentions of error in the sentence or the entry of the plea of
            guilty, has examined the trial court file and report of proceedings of the plea of guilty,
            and has made any amendments to the motion necessary for adequate presentation of
            any defects in those proceedings. The motion shall be heard promptly, and if allowed,
            the trial court shall modify the sentence or vacate the judgment and permit the
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                defendant to withdraw the plea of guilty and plead anew. *** Upon appeal any issue
                not raised by the defendant in the motion to reconsider the sentence or withdraw the
                plea of guilty and vacate the judgment shall be deemed waived.” Ill. S. Ct. R. 604(d)
                (eff. July 1, 2006).
¶8          The principles by which we construe supreme court rules are familiar and well settled. The
       same principles that govern the interpretation of statutes govern the interpretation of rules of
       this court. People v. Campbell, 224 Ill. 2d 80, 84 (2006); People v. Marker, 233 Ill. 2d 158,
       164-65 (2009). Our goal is to ascertain and give effect to the intention of the drafters of the
       rule. Campbell, 224 Ill. 2d at 84; Marker, 233 Ill. 2d at 165. The most reliable indicator of that
       intent is the language used, which must be given its plain and ordinary meaning. Marker, 233
       Ill. 2d at 165; People v. Baskerville, 2012 IL 111056, ¶ 18. Words and phrases should not be
       considered in isolation; rather, they must be interpreted in light of other relevant provisions and
       the statute as a whole. County of Du Page v. Illinois Labor Relations Board, 231 Ill. 2d 593,
       604 (2008). In addition to the language used, the court may consider the purpose behind the
       law and the evils sought to be remedied, as well as the consequences that would result from
       construing the law one way or the other. Id. As with statutes, the interpretation of a supreme
       court rule presents a question of law, which we review de novo. Campbell, 224 Ill. 2d at 84.
¶9          The State emphasizes the rule’s use of the word “or,” particularly in the consultation
       provision, which states: “The defendant’s attorney shall file with the trial court a certificate
       stating that the attorney has consulted with the defendant *** to ascertain defendant’s
       contentions of error in the sentence or the entry of the plea of guilty.” (Emphasis added.) Ill. S.
       Ct. R. 604(d) (eff. July 1, 2006). The State asserts the word “or” is disjunctive, not conjunctive,
       and the rule’s plain language therefore “requires counsel to certify only that she has consulted
       with defendant about his contentions of error in the sentence or in the guilty plea” (emphasis in
       original). Where, as here, defendant filed only a motion to reconsider his sentence, the State
       argues counsel must consult with defendant “only about defendant’s contentions of error in the
       sentence.” If, on the other hand, a defendant files a motion to withdraw his guilty plea, counsel
       must consult with the defendant about the defendant’s contentions of error in the guilty plea.
¶ 10        The State acknowledges that counsel may not choose one of these arbitrarily as the subject
       of the consultation. For example, if a defendant files a motion to withdraw his guilty plea, “it
       would be absurd to conclude that counsel could strictly comply with Rule 604(d) by certifying
       that he consulted with defendant only about defendant’s contentions of error in the sentence.”
       The State also points to People v. Dryden, 2012 IL App (2d) 110646, ¶ 9, which concluded
       “[i]t would be absurd to suggest that where, as here, counsel moves both to withdraw the plea
       and to reconsider the sentence, counsel may arbitrarily choose to consult with the defendant
       about only one type of error.” In the State’s view, counsel’s consultation obligation depends on
       the type of motion the defendant files.
¶ 11        We disagree. The basis of the State’s argument is its assertion that the word “or” is
       disjunctive in all circumstances. The State asserts: “ ‘Or’ means ‘or’ in Rule 604(d), just as it
       does in any other context.” We recognize that the word “or” is generally disjunctive (see, e.g.,
       Elementary School District 159 v. Schiller, 221 Ill. 2d 130, 145 (2006); People v. Herron, 215
       Ill. 2d 167, 191 n.3 (2005)), and the word “and” is generally conjunctive (see, e.g., People v.
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       Parcel of Property Commonly Known as 1945 North 31st Street, Decatur, Macon County,
       Illinois, 217 Ill. 2d 481, 500 (2005)). But this is not always the case. In John P. Moriarty, Inc.
       v. Murphy, 387 Ill. 119, 129-30 (1944), for example, this court stated:
                     “It is the settled law of this State that the words ‘or’ and ‘and’ will not be given their
                literal meaning when to do so renders the sense of a statutory enactment dubious. The
                strict meaning of such words is more readily departed from than that of other words.
                Where it is necessary to effectuate the intention of the legislature, the word ‘or’ is
                sometimes considered to mean ‘and,’ and the word ‘and’ to mean ‘or.’ ”
       Accord County of Du Page, 231 Ill. 2d at 606; Sturgeon Bay v. Leatham, 164 Ill. 239, 243
       (1896).
¶ 12        This principle—that the word “and” is sometimes considered to mean “or,” and vice versa,
       in the interpretation of statutes—applies only where a literal reading is at variance with the
       legislative intent. See John P. Moriarty, Inc., 387 Ill. at 129-30; County of Du Page, 231 Ill. 2d
       at 606.
¶ 13        Paragraph (d) of Rule 604, which was added in 1975 (Ill. S. Ct. R. 604(d), Committee
       Comments (rev. July 1, 1975)), was designed to meet a specific need. “A few years after the
       effective date of our 1970 Constitution, it came to the attention of this court that a large number
       of appeals in criminal cases were being taken from pleas of guilty. *** A review of the appeals
       in those cases revealed that many of the errors complained of could and undoubtedly would be
       easily and readily corrected, if called to the attention of the trial court. The rule was designed to
       eliminate needless trips to the appellate court and to give the trial court an opportunity to
       consider the alleged errors and to make a record for the appellate court to consider on review in
       cases where defendant’s claim is disallowed.” People v. Wilk, 124 Ill. 2d 93, 106 (1988).
¶ 14        This court has long recognized the purpose of Rule 604(d):
                “That purpose is to ensure that before a criminal appeal can be taken from a guilty plea,
                the trial judge who accepted the plea and imposed sentence be given the opportunity to
                hear the allegations of improprieties that took place outside the official proceedings
                and dehors the record, but nevertheless were unwittingly given sanction in the
                courtroom. Rule 604(d) provides for fact finding to take place at a time when witnesses
                are still available and memories are fresh. [Citation.] A hearing under Rule 604(d)
                allows a trial court to immediately correct any improper conduct or any errors of the
                trial court that may have produced a guilty plea. The trial court is the place for fact
                finding to occur and for a record to be made concerning the factual basis upon which a
                defendant relies for the grounds to withdraw a guilty plea. If the motion to withdraw the
                plea is denied, that decision can be considered on review.” Id. at 104.
¶ 15        With regard to the rule’s certificate requirement, this court stated:
                “Requiring the defendant’s counsel to file the requisite certificate enables the trial court
                to insure that counsel has reviewed the defendant’s claim and considered all relevant
                bases for the motion to withdraw the guilty plea or to reconsider the sentence.”
                (Emphasis added.) People v. Shirley, 181 Ill. 2d 359, 361 (1998).


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¶ 16       In sum, a main purpose of Rule 604(d) is to ensure that any improper conduct or other
       alleged improprieties that may have produced a guilty plea are brought to the trial court’s
       attention before an appeal is taken, thus enabling the trial court to address them at a time when
       witnesses are still available and memories are fresh. Toward that end, the rule’s certificate
       requirement is meant to enable the trial court to ensure that counsel has reviewed the
       defendant’s claim and considered all relevant bases for the motion to withdraw the guilty plea
       or to reconsider the sentence.
¶ 17       We next determine whether the State’s insistence on a literal reading of the word “or” is in
       keeping with, or at variance with, the intent of the rule’s drafters. As previously noted, the
       State argues that in the rule’s consultation provision, which requires counsel to certify she has
       consulted with the defendant “to ascertain defendant’s contentions of error in the sentence or
       the entry of the plea of guilty,” the word “or” is disjunctive, not conjunctive. According to the
       State, the rule therefore requires counsel to certify only that she has consulted with defendant
       about his contentions of error in the sentence or in the guilty plea, depending on the type of
       motion defendant files. In the case at bar, the State argues that because defendant filed only a
       motion to reconsider the sentence, and because Rule 604(d) requires only that counsel consult
       with defendant about contentions of error in the sentence or the guilty plea, “counsel was not
       obligated to certify that he consulted with defendant about the guilty plea proceedings.”
¶ 18       On its face, this does not comport with the rule’s goal of allowing the trial court to address,
       before an appeal is taken, any alleged improprieties that may have produced the guilty plea.
       Indeed, the disjunctive reading urged by the State could actually block this goal, ensuring that
       some alleged errors that may have produced a guilty plea are not addressed by the trial court
       before an appeal is taken. If, for example, counsel certifies that he has consulted with the
       defendant only about defendant’s contentions of error regarding the sentence, the possibility
       remains that the defendant might have had contentions of error about the guilty plea but failed
       to mention them. At a minimum, counsel’s certificate, indicating he consulted with defendant
       only about contentions of error in the sentence, would fall short of assuring the trial court that
       counsel had reviewed the defendant’s claim and considered all relevant bases for the post-plea
       motion. Worse still is the possibility that defendant actually had concerns about the guilty plea
       which were not discussed with counsel, and were omitted from the motion. Such a result would
       run directly counter to the rule’s purpose of enabling the trial court to immediately correct,
       before an appeal is taken, any improprieties that might have produced the guilty plea. The
       State’s disjunctive reading thus could frustrate the rule’s ultimate purpose of eliminating
       needless trips to the appellate court.
¶ 19       If, on the other hand, “or” were interpreted as “and,” counsel would have been required to
       certify that he consulted with defendant about contentions of error in both the sentence and the
       guilty plea, which would more likely enable the trial court to ensure that counsel had reviewed
       the defendant’s claim and considered all relevant bases for the post-plea motion. More
       important, counsel’s certifying that he consulted with the defendant about both types of error
       would make it more likely, rather than less likely, that all of the contentions of error were
       included in the post-plea motion, enabling the trial court to address and correct any improper
       conduct or errors of the trial court that may have produced the guilty plea.
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¶ 20       In sum, we reject the State’s argument that here the word “or” must be given a literal,
       disjunctive reading. In our view, such a reading is at variance with the intent of Rule 604(d),
       and we therefore apply the principle set forth in John P. Moriarty, County of Du Page and
       other decisions of this court that the word “and” is sometimes considered to mean “or,” and
       vice versa, in the interpretation of statutes. We hold that in order to effectuate the intent of Rule
       604(d), specifically the language requiring counsel to certify that he has consulted with the
       defendant “to ascertain defendant’s contentions of error in the sentence or the entry of the plea
       of guilty,” the word “or” is considered to mean “and.” Under this reading, counsel is required
       to certify that he has consulted with the defendant “to ascertain defendant’s contentions of
       error in the sentence and the entry of the plea of guilty.”
¶ 21       We necessarily reject the State’s argument that, under Rule 604(d), counsel’s consultation
       obligation extends no further than the subject of defendant’s post-plea motion. Unless the
       defendant moves both to withdraw the guilty plea and to reconsider the sentence, this would
       mean counsel was obligated to certify consultation with the defendant only about the sentence
       or the guilty plea, but not both. This flies in the face of the rule’s intent, which is effectuated by
       reading “or” as “and” in the consultation provision.

¶ 22                                         CONCLUSION
¶ 23       We agree with the appellate court that counsel’s certificate pursuant to Rule 604(d), in
       which counsel certified he consulted with defendant only as to defendant’s contentions of error
       in the sentence, did not strictly comply with the rule. We affirm the judgment of the appellate
       court, which reversed the judgment of the circuit court and remanded with directions.

¶ 24       Affirmed.

¶ 25       JUSTICE THOMAS, specially concurring:
¶ 26       For all of the reasons stated by the majority, and also those given by the appellate court in
       People v. Jordan, 2013 IL App (2d) 120106, I concur in the majority opinion. As the majority
       notes, it is well-settled that “or” must sometimes be read as “and” to effectuate the drafters’
       intent. This is obviously one of those situations. In Jordan, the appellate court stated that it
       could not “imagine that the supreme court designed the rule, and insisted on strict compliance
       therewith, to avert the forfeiture of issues of only one type or the other, as opposed to the
       forfeiture of any and all.” Id. ¶ 14. Clearly, this court’s intent was the latter, not the former.
¶ 27       That said, I believe that the rule should be amended to more accurately reflect this court’s
       intent. If we do not do so, the rule will continue to create confusion, and we will not know with
       any degree of certainty which attorneys are complying and which are not. Consider Attorney
       A, who conscientiously consults with the defendant about both his guilty plea and sentence,
       determines that defendant wants to raise issues concerning his sentence only, and certifies that
       he consulted with the defendant about his contentions of error in his sentence. Now consider
       Attorney B, who consults with the defendant about his sentence only, and certifies, truthfully,
       that he consulted with the defendant about his contentions of error in the plea or sentence. A

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       court will reverse and remand in the first case and not the second, even though, unbeknownst to
       the court, it is Attorney B who clearly has not fulfilled his obligation. While certainly today’s
       opinion will clear up some of the confusion, I believe that the rule should be amended so that
       this court can have complete confidence that attorneys are complying with the rule.
¶ 28        The dissent argues that it is the motion filed by defendant that determines the scope of the
       consultation, rather than vice versa. Infra ¶ 38 (Karmeier, J., dissenting, joined by Kilbride and
       Theis, JJ.). This is exactly backwards. It is the consultation that determines which motion or
       motions should be filed. On this point, I would simply refer the reader to the thorough
       discussion that appears in Jordan. See Jordan, 2013 IL App (2d) 120106, ¶¶ 10-14.
¶ 29        As defendant correctly notes, anyone trying to argue that the motion determines the scope
       of the consultation will very quickly paint himself into a corner when the motion is filed by
       counsel. How can a motion filed by defense counsel determine the scope of the necessary
       consultation with the defendant? The dissent provides the following answer:
                “If a defendant represented by counsel wants to file a motion challenging his sentence,
                his guilty plea, or both, counsel is ethically obligated to do so on the defendant’s behalf.
                Ill. R. Prof. Conduct (2010) R. 1.2(a) (eff. Jan. 1, 2010) (‘[A] lawyer shall abide by a
                client’s decisions concerning the objectives of the representation ***.’). There is no
                reason to believe that counsel chose not to file a motion to withdraw the guilty plea
                despite defendant’s desire to do so. Whether the post-plea motion is filed pro se or by
                counsel, defendant retains the choice of whether to challenge the sentence, the guilty
                plea, or both.” Supra ¶ 40 (Karmeier, J., dissenting, joined by Kilbride and Theis, JJ.).
       This is no answer. The dissent misses the point entirely when it contends that counsel would
       have been ethically obligated to follow defendant’s wishes as to which motion to file and that
       there is no reason to believe that counsel ignored defendant’s wishes. The problem is that we
       do not know that any consultation took place with respect to defendant’s guilty plea because
       counsel certified only that he consulted with defendant about his sentence. The dissent’s
       answer to the problem is simply to assume that the other necessary consultation took place. But
       if the court is willing to engage in such assumptions, then why have Rule 604(d)’s certificate
       requirement at all? Had counsel certified that he consulted about both the guilty plea and the
       sentence, then the dissent’s assumption might make sense. Because we know nothing more
       than that the attorney consulted with defendant about his sentence, I am unsure how my
       dissenting colleagues can feel confident that counsel complied with defendant’s wishes
       regarding his guilty plea. If anything, all that the above quoted paragraph accomplishes is to
       demonstrate why the dissent’s position cannot be correct.
¶ 30        I am also concerned that the dissent is going to cause great confusion when, without
       citation, it interprets the first sentence of Rule of Professional Conduct 1.2(a) to mean that an
       attorney is ethically obligated to file whatever motion a criminal defendant wants him to file.
       The rule itself belies any such notion when a mere three sentences later it states that: “In a
       criminal case, the lawyer shall abide by the client’s decision, after consultation with the
       lawyer, as to a plea to be entered, whether to waive a jury trial and whether a client will
       testify.” To this list, we have added that the decisions whether to appeal and whether to seek a
       lesser included defense instruction are also for the defendant. People v. Clendenin, 238 Ill. 2d
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       302, 318 (2010). All other matters of tactics and strategy, such as which motions should be
       filed, are for the attorney to make, after consulting with the defendant. Id. at 319. Does the
       dissent mean to suggest that if, even after consultation, the defendant is completely mistaken
       about which type of motion is required to present his claims properly, counsel is ethically
       obligated to file whatever motion defendant wants? The dissent offers no explanation for why
       it wants to expand greatly the categories of decisions that are for the defendant, and no good
       reason would seem to exist.
¶ 31       The dissent has thus offered no compelling reasons why a court should be confident that an
       attorney has consulted with a defendant about any possible contentions of error in the
       defendant’s guilty plea, when defense counsel files only a motion to reconsider the sentence
       and his certification does not state that he consulted with defendant about anything but that.

¶ 32       JUSTICE KARMEIER, dissenting:
¶ 33       As the majority notes, the issue on appeal is whether Illinois Supreme Court Rule 604(d)
       requires post-plea counsel to certify that he consulted with defendant regarding defendant’s
       contentions of error in the sentence and the guilty plea or only regarding contentions of error
       relevant to defendant’s post-plea motion. The majority concludes that the rule requires counsel
       to certify that he consulted with defendant regarding defendant’s contentions of error in both
       the sentence and the guilty plea even where, as here, defendant challenged only his sentence
       and had no contentions of error in the guilty plea. Because the plain and unambiguous
       language of the rule is to the contrary, I cannot join the majority opinion.
¶ 34       Rule 604(d) provides, in pertinent part, as follows:
               “No appeal from a judgment entered upon a plea of guilty shall be taken unless the
               defendant, within 30 days of the date on which sentence is imposed, files in the trial
               court a motion to reconsider the sentence, if only the sentence is being challenged, or, if
               the plea is being challenged, a motion to withdraw the plea of guilty and vacate the
               judgment. *** The defendant’s attorney shall file with the trial court a certificate
               stating that the attorney has consulted with the defendant either by mail or in person to
               ascertain defendant’s contentions of error in the sentence or the entry of the plea of
               guilty, has examined the trial court file and report of proceedings of the plea of guilty,
               and has made any amendments to the motion necessary for adequate presentation of
               any defects in those proceedings.” (Emphasis added.) Ill. S. Ct. R. 604(d) (eff. July 1,
               2006).
¶ 35       In this case, defendant filed a motion to reconsider sentence, alleging that his sentence was
       excessive. He did not file a motion to withdraw his guilty plea. That same day, counsel filed a
       Rule 604(d) certificate, stating:
               “NOW COMES [defense counsel], attorney for Defendant herein and states that he has
               consulted with the Defendant in person to ascertain Defendant’s contentions of error in
               the sentence imposed herein, has examined the trial court file and the Court
               proceedings of the plea of guilty, and has made any amendments to the motion
               necessary for adequate presentation of any defects in those proceedings.”

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¶ 36       At the hearing on the motion to reconsider, defendant asked the court to reduce his
       sentence from 12 years to 7 years so he could be immediately eligible for a drug treatment
       program. The motion was denied, and defendant appealed. A divided panel of the appellate
       court reversed and remanded, holding that counsel’s Rule 604(d) certificate did not strictly
       comply with the rule. 2012 IL App (4th) 120650-U, ¶ 15.
¶ 37       We allowed the State’s petition for leave to appeal. The majority agrees with the appellate
       court and concludes that counsel did not strictly comply with the requirements of Rule 604(d)
       because his certificate did not state that he consulted with defendant to ascertain defendant’s
       contentions of error in the entry of the guilty plea.
¶ 38       Because I believe that counsel did strictly comply with the requirements of Rule 604(d), I
       respectfully dissent. The rule requires counsel to certify that he or she “has consulted with the
       defendant *** to ascertain defendant’s contentions of error in the sentence or the entry of the
       plea of guilty” (emphasis added). Ill. S. Ct. R. 604(d) (eff. July 1, 2006). “The word ‘or’ is
       disjunctive,” which means that it “connotes two different alternatives.” Elementary School
       District 159 v. Schiller, 221 Ill. 2d 130, 145 (2006). “In other words, ‘or’ means ‘or.’ ” Id. The
       majority’s reading of Rule 604(d), which construes “or” to mean “and,” cannot be squared
       with the plain language of the rule.
¶ 39       Under the plain and unambiguous language of Rule 604(d), read as a whole, counsel must
       consult with defendant about the subject of defendant’s post-plea motion. Therefore, where, as
       here, defendant challenges only his sentence, counsel is required to certify that he consulted
       with defendant about defendant’s contentions of error in the sentence. Similarly, where a
       defendant challenges only his guilty plea, counsel is required to certify that he consulted with
       defendant to ascertain defendant’s contentions of error in the guilty plea.
¶ 40       Rule 604(d) provides that “[n]o appeal from a judgment entered upon a plea of guilty shall
       be taken unless the defendant *** files *** a motion to reconsider the sentence, if only the
       sentence is being challenged, or, if the plea is being challenged, a motion to withdraw the plea
       of guilty and vacate the judgment.” Ill. S. Ct. R. 604(d) (eff. July 1, 2006). Several more times,
       the rule uses “or” to separate the respective requirements of these motions. Each time, the
       requirements differ depending on the type of post-plea motion defendant filed. For instance,
       the rule provides that if defendant’s motion is allowed, “the trial court shall modify the
       sentence or vacate the judgment and permit the defendant to withdraw the plea of guilty and
       plead anew.” (Emphasis added.) Id. Thus, if defendant has filed a motion to reconsider his
       sentence, the trial court should, upon granting the motion, modify the sentence. If defendant
       has filed a motion to withdraw his guilty plea, the trial court should, upon granting the motion,
       vacate the judgment and allow defendant to plead anew.
¶ 41       Likewise, Rule 604(d) requires defendant’s post-plea counsel to file a certificate stating
       that he or she “has consulted with the defendant *** to ascertain defendant’s contentions of
       error in the sentence or the entry of the plea of guilty.” (Emphasis added.) Id. In other words,
       counsel’s certification obligation depends on the type of motion defendant files.
¶ 42       Where, as here, defendant has filed only a motion to reconsider his sentence, Rule 604(d)
       requires counsel to certify, as counsel did here, that he or she consulted with defendant about
       defendant’s contentions of error in the sentence. Because defendant did not file a motion to
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       withdraw his guilty plea, and because Rule 604(d) requires only that counsel consult with
       defendant about defendant’s contentions of error in the sentence or in the guilty plea, counsel
       was not obligated to certify that he consulted with defendant about defendant’s contentions of
       error in the guilty plea. Indeed, he could not have so certified because defendant had no
       contentions of error in his guilty plea.
¶ 43       The purpose of Rule 604(d) demonstrates that the rule requires counsel to consult with
       defendant about the guilty plea proceedings only if defendant files a motion to withdraw his
       guilty plea. As this court has explained:
                    “Compliance with the motion requirement of Rule 604 permits the trial judge who
               accepted the plea and imposed sentence to consider any allegations of impropriety that
               took place dehors the record and correct any error that may have led to the guilty plea.
               [Citations.] Requiring the defendant’s counsel to file the requisite certificate enables
               the trial court to insure that counsel has reviewed the defendant’s claim and considered
               all relevant bases for the motion to withdraw the guilty plea or to reconsider the
               sentence. The attorney certificate thereby encourages the preservation of a clear record,
               both in the trial court and on appeal, of the reasons why a defendant is moving to
               withdraw his plea or to reduce sentence. [Citation.] Because Rule 604(d) is designed
               both to protect defendant’s due process rights and to eliminate unnecessary appeals,
               this court requires strict compliance with its requirements ***.” People v. Shirley, 181
               Ill. 2d 359, 361-62 (1998).
¶ 44       Contrary to defendant’s assertion, the analysis does not change when defendant’s post-plea
       motion is filed by counsel. If a defendant represented by counsel wants to file a motion
       challenging his sentence, his guilty plea, or both, counsel is ethically obligated to do so on the
       defendant’s behalf. Ill. R. Prof. Conduct (2010) R. 1.2(a) (eff. Jan. 1, 2010) (“[A] lawyer shall
       abide by a client’s decisions concerning the objectives of representation ***.”). There is no
       reason to believe that counsel chose not to file a motion to withdraw the guilty plea despite
       defendant’s desire to do so. Whether the post-plea motion is filed pro se or by counsel,
       defendant retains the choice of whether to challenge the sentence, the guilty plea, or both.
¶ 45       The history of Rule 604(d) further shows that the rule requires counsel to consult with
       defendant only about the subject of defendant’s motion. When paragraph (d) was added to
       Rule 604 in 1975, it provided that a defendant could not appeal from a judgment entered on a
       plea of guilty unless he first filed a motion to withdraw the plea, even if defendant wanted to
       challenge only the sentence. Ill. S. Ct. R. 604(d) (eff. Jan. 1, 1967). Counsel was therefore
       required to certify that he or she had “consulted with the defendant *** to ascertain
       [defendant’s] contentions of error in the entry of the plea of guilty.” Id. If the motion was
       allowed, the trial court was required to vacate the judgment and allow defendant to plead anew.
       Id.
¶ 46       After amendments in 1992, Rule 604(d) provides that a defendant may appeal from a
       judgment entered on a plea of guilty only if he has filed in the trial court a motion to reconsider
       the sentence or a motion to withdraw the guilty plea. Ill. S. Ct. R. 604(d) (eff. Aug. 1, 1992). As
       amended, the rule also provides that counsel must consult with defendant about defendant’s
       contentions of error in the sentence or in the guilty plea (and that the trial court, upon granting
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       the motion, shall modify the sentence or vacate the judgment and let defendant plead anew). Id.
       The drafters added an “or” phrase in each sentence where the rule would apply differently
       based on the type of motion defendant filed.
¶ 47       Some attorneys reproduce Rule 604(d)’s consultation language verbatim in their
       certificates of compliance; indeed, at least one court has admonished attorneys that this is “the
       better practice.” See People v. Herrera, 2012 IL App (2d) 110009, ¶ 14 (“While this court has
       said that strict compliance does not mean that counsel must recite ‘word for word’ the verbiage
       of the rule [citation], we now admonish attorneys that a ‘word for word’ recitation is the better
       practice.”). As the dissenting justice noted below, however, if defense counsel in this case
       “follows the Second District’s admonishment in Herrera [citation] on remand, his certificate
       will contain the disjunctive language, and thus it will be unclear as to whether defense counsel
       discussed with defendant possible contentions of error in the guilty-plea proceeding, making
       remand worthless.” 2012 IL App (4th) 120650-U, ¶ 18 (Turner, P.J., dissenting). See also
       paragraph 2 of Justice Thomas’s special concurrence in this case, in which he poses
       hypothetical situations to demonstrate the confusion caused by the language of the rule.
¶ 48       By construing “or” to mean “and,” the majority is reading the rule to say that defendant’s
       contentions of error relate to both the sentence and the guilty plea. Clearly that is not the case
       here; just as clearly, that is not what the rule says. Nor do I believe that was the intent of the
       rule based on the language and history stated herein.
¶ 49       What the majority is actually saying is that the rule should be read as follows:
               “The defendant’s attorney shall file with the trial court a certificate stating that the
               attorney has consulted with the defendant either by mail or in person to ascertain
               defendant’s contentions of error, and to discuss any other errors, in both the sentence
               and the entry of the plea of guilty, has examined the trial court file and report of
               proceedings of the plea of guilty and sentencing, and has made any amendments to the
               motion necessary for adequate presentation of any defects in those proceedings.”
       I am not opposed to changing Rule 604(d), but we should do so prospectively and only after the
       open deliberative process usually followed by this court in making rule changes.
¶ 50       I respectfully dissent.

¶ 51      JUSTICES KILBRIDE and THEIS join in this dissent.




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