                        NONPRECEDENTIAL DISPOSITION
                To be cited only in accordance with Fed. R. App. P. 32.1



                United States Court of Appeals
                                For the Seventh Circuit
                                Chicago, Illinois 60604

                               Argued November 14, 2017
                               Decided December 4, 2017

                                         Before

                       WILLIAM J. BAUER, Circuit Judge

                       FRANK H. EASTERBROOK, Circuit Judge

                       DIANE S. SYKES, Circuit Judge

No. 17-1732

JOHN H. DAVIS, et al.,                            Appeal from the United States District
     Plaintiffs-Appellants,                       Court for the Northern District of Indiana,
                                                  Hammond Division.
      v.
                                                  No. 2:16-cv-120
JEANNE W. ANDERSON, et al.,
     Defendants-Appellees.                        Philip P. Simon,
                                                  Judge.


                                       ORDER

        Naming himself, his ex-wife, and their adult autistic son as plaintiffs, Attorney
John H. Davis filed a 574-page complaint in federal court in northern Indiana against
16 defendants, including various Alabama officials and the Alabama Department of
Human Resources, plus 20 “John Does.” He attached 429 pages of exhibits to this
excessive pleading. Predictably, the district judge struck the complaint and ordered the
plaintiffs to file one that complies with the rules of procedure. Davis responded with a
165-page amended complaint, to which he attached the same 429 pages of exhibits. He
later filed a second amended complaint; this version stretched to 215 pages and again
included the same 429 pages of exhibits. The judge had seen enough: he dismissed the
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case with prejudice for failure to comply with the basic requirements set forth in Rules 8
and 10 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

        Davis has appealed, still purporting to represent himself, his ex-wife, and their
adult son as plaintiffs-appellants. As a pro se litigant, however, Davis cannot also
represent the other two plaintiffs, so we dismiss them as parties to the appeal. As to
Davis, we affirm the judgment. His repeated failure to comply with Rules 8 and 10 fully
justified the judge’s order dismissing the case with prejudice.

                                     I. Background

       John Davis and his ex-wife, Shelia, contend that 16 named defendants, including
the Alabama Department of Human Resources and various public officials in that state,
in concert with 20 John Does, unlawfully took custody of their autistic son, Eric, in a
child-welfare action. They allege that Eric, who was born in 1991, was taken from them
in 2001 and that they have been unable to regain custody. Eric is a named plaintiff too,
but he is not a minor, and neither John nor Shelia is his legal guardian, if he has one.
Whether Eric agreed to be party to this suit or is even aware of it is an open question.

       The original complaint was 574 pages long and contained 429 pages of exhibits,
bringing its total length to a whopping 1,003 pages. The pleading was accompanied by
a motion for a temporary restraining order. At a hearing on that motion, the judge
struck the complaint sua sponte, noting that among its many defects, it did not comply
with Rule 8(a)’s basic requirement of a “short and plain” statement of the plaintiffs’
claims. The judge explained that the Davises could “write a very straightforward
complaint” that would contain their allegations “that your son was taken away from
you without notice, without any due process, without any right to be heard, that
they’ve invaded your constitutional rights to association with your child.” John Davis
conceded that “[i]t doesn’t take 550 pages to do this.” The judge gave the plaintiffs
60 days to file an amended complaint.

      The amended complaint clocked in at 165 pages and came with the same
429 pages of exhibits as the original complaint, for a combined total of 594 pages. The
Davises also filed a new motion for a temporary restraining order. The judge denied the
motion and expressed his disapproval of the amended complaint, noting that it failed to
remedy the defects in the original complaint. The amended complaint, he explained,
continued to employ the “kitchen sink” approach to pleading, which he had expressly
cautioned Davis against. The judge also noted that the amended complaint blatantly
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violated Rule 10(b)’s requirement that allegations be set forth in separately numbered
paragraphs.

       The Davises then filed a second amended complaint. This time the document
grew to 215 pages with the same 429 pages of exhibits. A magistrate judge struck that
pleading because the plaintiffs had not obtained the defendants’ consent or the court’s
leave to amend, so the first amended complaint remained the operative pleading.

       Many of the defendants moved to dismiss, arguing (among other things) that the
amended complaint violated Rules 8 and 10. The district judge dismissed the suit based
on the plaintiffs’ repeated failure to comply with these rules. The judge explained that
there was “not a single short and plain statement of any claim,” and the exhibits were
irrelevant. The amended complaint, like the original version, also failed to connect
claims to defendants; most counts, the judge noted, were contained in a “single
mammoth paragraph.” And because all three versions of the complaint contained the
same glaring deficiencies, the judge concluded that no further opportunity to amend
was warranted. The judge therefore dismissed the case with prejudice.

                                       II. Discussion

       The Davises insist on appeal that their amended complaint complies with Rule 8
and Rule 10. They claim that those rules do not apply to the “preliminary” section of the
amended complaint (83 pages) or the “chronology” section (41 pages), and that the
defendants could have moved for a more definite statement if any part of the complaint
was unclear. The defendants respond that the judge explicitly warned the plaintiffs
about the requirements of Rules 8 and 10, yet the excessively long, verbose, and
unintelligible amended complaint obviously did not comply.

       As an initial matter, it’s clear that John Davis cannot represent his ex-wife and
their son in this matter because he is also a party. A pro se litigant, even one who is a
licensed attorney, is not allowed to represent other people on appeal, see Cole v. Comm’r,
637 F.3d 767, 773 (7th Cir. 2011), or in the district court, Nocula v. UGS Corp., 520 F.3d
719, 725 (7th Cir. 2008). Without Shelia’s and Eric’s signatures on the appellate briefs
signifying their status as pro se litigants, they are not parties to this appeal. FED. R. CIV.
P. 11(a); Swanson v. Citibank, N.A., 614 F.3d 400, 402 (7th Cir. 2010); Navin v. Park Ridge
Sch. Dist. 64, 270 F.3d 1147, 1149 (7th Cir. 2001). We dismiss Shelia Davis and Eric Davis
as parties to the appeal.
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        Moving to the merits, dismissal for noncompliance with Rules 8 and 10(b) is
discretionary, and our review is for abuse of that discretion. See Stanard v. Nygren,
658 F.3d 792, 796–97 (7th Cir. 2011); Frederiksen v. City of Lockport, 384 F.3d 437, 439 (7th
Cir. 2004). Rule 8(a) requires that a complaint contain “a short and plain statement of
the claim showing that the pleader is entitled to relief.” FED. R. CIV. P. 8(a)(2). Rule 10(b)
requires a party to state its claims or defenses in numbered paragraphs, “each limited as
far as practicable to a single set of circumstances.” FED. R. CIV. P. 10(b). The primary
purpose of these rules “is to give defendants fair notice of the claims against them and
the grounds supporting the claims.” Stanard, 658 F.3d at 797. So a complaint is subject to
dismissal under these rules if it is unduly long or if it is unintelligible. See Kadamovas
v. Stevens, 706 F.3d 843, 844 (7th Cir. 2013); U.S. ex rel. Garst v. Lockheed-Martin Corp.,
328 F.3d 374, 378 (7th Cir. 2003). The amended complaint suffers from both defects.

       Davis’s insistence that his amended complaint satisfies Rule 8 and Rule 10 is
frivolous. The pleading suffers from extreme logorrhea. As we’ve noted, the
“Preliminary Statement” alone is 83 pages. Many of the numbered paragraphs in this
section continue on for many pages and encompass wholly unrelated or irrelevant
circumstances. A representative example is paragraph 4(s), which spans 14 pages,
contains 67 unnumbered paragraphs, and covers multiple unrelated and often
incoherent topics, including Eric’s stay at a hospital; his education in Alabama; the
plaintiffs’ belief that the defendants have committed RICO violations; the “deep hatred
for Northerners” held by citizens of Athens, Alabama; Elian Gonzalez; and a mental-
health study conducted on retired NFL players. Other numbered paragraphs in the
Preliminary Statement are similar; the last one in this section begins on page 53 and
continues for 37 pages.

       The amended complaint then provides a “Chronology” that consists of many
unnumbered paragraphs. This section covers myriad events broken down by year, with
subheadings for each year from 1991 to 2015. After discussing “Jurisdiction and Venue”
for two pages, the amended complaint moves on to “Common Allegations,” followed
by legal theories arranged into 16 counts. It’s not clear, however, which defendants are
alleged to be liable under each count. Thirteen of the sixteen counts are pleaded in a
single paragraph; most of the “counts” are at least a page long.

      We normally defer to the “informed judgment of district judges who must decide
whether to dismiss a case with prejudice when counsel repeatedly fails to plead
properly.” Stanard, 658 F.3d at 801. Davis offers no reason to deviate from that practice.
Here the judge patiently identified the defects in the original complaint, yet Davis—a
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licensed attorney, see Mr. John Horace Davis, Indiana Roll of Attorneys, COURTS.IN.GOV,
https://courtapps.in.gov/rollofattorneys/Search/Detail/a4bb5ab1-fdb6-e011-9d34-
02215e942453 (last visited Nov. 29, 2017)—flagrantly disregarded the judge’s
instructions by presenting an amended complaint containing 165 pages of
gobbledygook. And because Davis is an attorney, his pleadings are not entitled to the
generous construction normally given to pro se filings. See Cole, 637 F.3d at 773. We
have upheld the dismissal of shorter, and sometimes clearer, complaints. See Garst,
328 F.3d at 376 (“pestilential” 155-page complaint); Vicom, Inc. v. Harbridge Merchant
Servs., Inc., 20 F.3d 771, 775 (7th Cir. 1994) (119-page complaint); Hartz v. Friedman,
919 F.2d 469, 471 (7th Cir. 1990) (125-page complaint); Jennings v. Emry, 910 F.2d 1434,
1435 (7th Cir. 1990) (55-page complaint).

       Davis contends that Rules 8 and 10 apply only to the “claims” section of his
amended complaint (pages 140 to 159), but this argument is likewise frivolous. Rule 8
“requires parties to make their pleadings straightforward, so that judges and adverse
parties need not try to fish a gold coin from a bucket of mud.” Garst, 328 F.3d at 378
(emphasis added). And Rule 10(b) “requires allegations to be separated into numbered
paragraphs[] and distinct claims to be separated into counts.” Frederiksen, 384 F.3d at
438 (emphasis added). The amended complaint complies with neither rule.

        Finally, Davis argues that dismissal was unwarranted because the defendants
could have asked for a more definite statement under Rule 12(e). That argument
improperly shifts the burden of compliance with the pleading rules away from the
plaintiffs. Further, we have explained that it’s usually preferable to require repleading
rather than ordering a more definite statement so that a plaintiff's allegations are not
split between the complaint and the more definite statement. Davis v. Ruby Foods, Inc.,
269 F.3d 818, 820 (7th Cir. 2001). In short, the judge was well within his discretion to
dismiss this case with prejudice after providing an opportunity to replead based on the
repeated and flagrant violations of Rules 8 and 10.

        Before concluding, we note that Davis’s conduct in this litigation raises serious
concerns about his professional competence. He repeatedly ignored the judge’s simple
instructions to file a complaint that complied with the federal rules. Even after the judge
all but dictated what it would take to file a competent pleading, Davis returned with
another bloated, unintelligible tome. Moreover, he told the judge that he was unable to
communicate with his son except for exchanging an occasional greeting over the phone.
That gives us reason to doubt whether Eric even knows about this case, yet Davis
named him as a plaintiff and holds himself out as his attorney. Davis’s possible failure
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to communicate with Eric regarding the scope of the purported representation may
violate Rule 1.4 of the Indiana Rules of Professional Conduct. And to the extent Eric’s
interests are not aligned with Davis’s interests (or Shelia’s, for that matter), Davis may
also be violating Rule 1.7 of the code of conduct. See In re Moores, 854 N.E.2d 350, 353
(Ind. 2006).

       For the foregoing reasons, we DISMISS Shelia Davis and Eric Davis as parties to
this appeal and otherwise AFFIRM the judgment of the district court. IT IS FURTHER
ORDERED that John Davis must show cause within 21 days why he should not be
removed or suspended from the bar of this court or otherwise disciplined under Rule
46(b) or (c) of the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure. We also direct the clerk of this
court to send a copy of this order to the Indiana Supreme Court Disciplinary
Commission for any action it deems appropriate.
