                    FOR PUBLICATION
  UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
       FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT

LUZ LOPEZ-RODRIGUEZ; FABIOLA              
GASTELUM-LOPEZ,                                   No. 06-70868
                       Petitioners,               Agency Nos.
               v.                                A78-184-178
ERIC H. HOLDER, JR.,* Attorney                    A78-184-179
General,                                            ORDER
                      Respondent.
                                          
                      Filed March 27, 2009

  Before: William C. Canby, Jr. and Jay S. Bybee, Circuit
Judges, and Justin L. Quackenbush,** Senior District Judge.

                             Order;
                      Dissent by Judge Bea


                             ORDER

  Judge Bybee has voted to grant the petition for rehearing en
banc. Judges Canby and Quackenbush have recommended
denial of en banc rehearing.

   The petition for en banc rehearing has been circulated to
the full court. A judge requested a vote on whether to rehear
the matter en banc. The matter failed to receive a majority of

  *Eric H. Holder, Jr. is substituted for his predecessor, Michael B.
Mukasey, as Attorney General of the United States, pursuant to Fed. R.
App. P. 43(c )(2).
  **The Honorable Justin L. Quackenbush, Senior District Judge for the
Eastern District of Washington, sitting by designation.

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the votes of the nonrecused active judges in favor of en banc
consideration. Fed R. App. P. 35.

   The petition for rehearing en banc is denied.



BEA, Circuit Judge, with whom O’SCANNLAIN, TALL-
MAN, BYBEE, and CALLAHAN, Circuit Judges, join, dis-
senting from the denial of rehearing en banc:

   I respectfully dissent from the order denying rehearing en
banc because the panel opinion directly contradicts the
Supreme Court’s decision in INS v. Lopez-Mendoza (Men-
doza), 468 U.S. 1032 (1984), regarding when we should apply
that singular jewel1 of our legal procedure treasury: the exclu-
sionary rule.

   In Mendoza, the Supreme Court clearly held the exclusion-
ary rule does not apply to bar illegally procured evidence
from admission in a deportation hearing. Mendoza, 468 U.S.
at 1050 (holding that the “balance between costs and benefits
comes out against applying the exclusionary rule in civil
deportation hearings”).2 The panel in Lopez-Rodriguez v.
  1
     No other civilized or uncivilized country eschews probative evidence
solely on the ground the police procured it in violation of the rules of evi-
dence gathering. See Adam Liptak, American Exception: U.S. Is Alone in
Rejecting All Evidence if Police Err, N.Y. Times, July 19, 2008, at A1.
   2
     Mendoza concerns two consolidated cases. In the relevant appeal, uni-
formed immigration agents positioned themselves at the exits of a factory
and “looked for passing employees who averted their heads, avoided eye
contact, or tried to hide.” 468 U.S. at 1036-37. Agents arrested an alien
they described as “very evasive”; the alien admitted unlawful entry when
subsequently questioned. Id. at 1037. At his deportation hearing, the alien
contended his admission should be suppressed as “the fruit of an unlawful
arrest.” Id. The Immigration Judge and the Board of Immigration Appeals
both declined to apply the exclusionary rule and ordered the alien
removed. Id. at 1038. This court reversed and applied the exclusionary
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Mukasey (Rodriguez), 536 F.3d 1012 (9th Cir. 2008), held
precisely the opposite. How we got there is an interesting—
and perhaps cautionary—tale. We seem to have turned
Supreme Court plurality dicta into majority dicta simply by
saying so. Then, we have applied that dicta, in a manner not
consistent with the sole case cited in the dicta, to create a new
rule—one never envisioned by either the Supreme Court
majority or the plurality.

   Let’s pick our way through how we got there.

   Step one. Identify the dicta to be used: “Finally, we do not
deal here with egregious violations of the Fourth Amendment
or other liberties that might transgress notions of fundamental
fairness and undermine the probative value of the evidence
obtained. Cf. Rochin v. California, 342 U.S. 165 . . . (1952).”
Mendoza, 468 U.S. at 1050-51 (plurality opinion of
O’Connor, Blackmun, Powell, and Rehnquist, JJ.).

  Step two. Mischaracterize the Mendoza dicta by calling it
part of the “majority” opinion. Adamson v. Comm’r, 745 F.2d
541, 545-46 (9th Cir. 1984).3 Then, massage the dicta’s “test”

rule because the alien’s “detention by immigration officers violated the
Fourth Amendment, [and] the statements he made were a product of that
detention.” Id. The Supreme Court reversed us. Id. at 1050.
   The Court has never overruled Mendoza. Indeed, it has not extended the
exclusionary rule to other federal civil proceedings. See Penn. Bd. of Pro-
bation & Parole v. Scott, 524 U.S. 537, 363-64 (1998) (refusing to extend
the exclusionary rule to parole revocation proceedings and noting that the
Court has “repeatedly declined to extend the exclusionary rule to proceed-
ings other than criminal trials,” including grand jury proceedings, see
United States v. Calandra, 414 U.S. 338, 343-46 (1974); civil tax proceed-
ings, see United States v. Janis, 428 U.S. 433, 448, 454 (1976); and civil
deportation proceedings, see Mendoza, 468 U.S. at 1050).
   3
     In Adamson, Seattle police officers investigating a bank robbery acted
on a tip from a hotel maid and searched a hotel room without a warrant.
745 F.2d at 543. Based on the money and drugs they found, the officers
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into a new dicta by asking not whether the conduct of the offi-
cers “transgress[ed] notions of fundamental fairness4 and
undermine[d] the probative value of the evidence obtained,”
but whether the officers acted with knowledge—actual or
constructive—that their actions, even if mannerly, would vio-
late the Constitution. See id.

   Step three. Clothe the Mendoza dicta with a new definition
—“all bad faith violations of an individual’s fourth amend-
ment rights are considered sufficiently egregious to require
application of the exclusionary sanction in a civil proceeding”5
—and then eliminate the possibly additional requirement of
the Mendoza dicta that the means of procuring the excludable
evidence need undermine the probative value of the evidence
obtained in order to apply the exclusionary rule. Gonzalez-

obtained a search warrant, seized the evidence, and arrested Adamson. Id.
at 543-44. Adamson was not prosecuted for any crime. Id. at 544. The
Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service (“Commissioner”), how-
ever, used the evidence to determine that Adamson failed to pay income
taxes. Id. The Tax Court upheld the Commissioner’s assessment, conclud-
ing that “the evidence was illegally seized by the Seattle police and would
have been excluded in a criminal proceeding[, but] . . . the evidence was
admissible in a civil tax proceeding.” Id.
   This court affirmed. Id. at 548. Citing the Mendoza dicta, this court
issued a new rule in dicta: “When evidence is obtained by deliberate viola-
tion of the fourth amendment, or by conduct a reasonable officer should
know is in violation of the Constitution, the probative value of that evi-
dence cannot outweigh the need for a judicial sanction.” Id. at 545. The
exclusionary rule did not apply in this case, however, because “the consti-
tutional questions are close enough that a reasonably competent police
officer could have believed the search was legal.” Id. at 546.
   4
     This massaging occurred notwithstanding that the Mendoza dicta was
clearly referring to the INS officers’ conduct in making arrests, not their
knowledge they were violating the Fourth Amendment by arresting the
petitioner without a warrant. “At issue here is the exclusion of credible
evidence gathered in connection with peaceful arrests by INS officers.”
468 U.S. at 1051 (emphasis added).
   5
     Precisely the view of Justice Brennan, dissenting in Mendoza. 468 U.S.
at 1051-52.
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Rivera v. INS, 22 F.3d 1441, 1449, 1451 (9th Cir. 1994) (cita-
tion, internal quotation marks, and alterations omitted)
(“[U]nder both Lopez-Mendoza and controlling Ninth Circuit
law, a fundamentally unfair Fourth Amendment violation is
considered egregious regardless of the probative value of the
evidence obtained.”).6

   Step Four. We arrive at Rodriguez: if it was clear enough
the officers knew or should have known they were violating
the Fourth Amendment, see Adamson, 745 F.2d at 545-46, we
label their conduct “egregious” based solely on that knowl-
edge, see Gonzalez-Rivera, 22 F.3d at 1449, no matter how
“peaceful” were their actual actions in collecting the evi-
dence, and—perhaps importantly—say nothing more about
whether their actions cast doubt on the probative value of the
evidence obtained.

   Now you have it: Rodriguez announces a rule directly con-
trary to the Supreme Court’s holding in Mendoza, and in con-
flict with the First and Second Circuits to boot. See Fed. R.
App. P. 35.

   We ought to have corrected the result of our taking a wrong
turn in Adamson and Gonzalez-Rivera by considering Rodri-
guez en banc, rather than importing another and inapposite
notion into our exclusionary rule jurisprudence from Saucier
  6
    In Gonzales-Rivera, border patrol officers stopped Gonzalez-Rivera
based solely on his Hispanic appearance. 22 F.3d at 1442. When
Gonzalez-Rivera failed to produce documents permitting him legal resi-
dence in the United States, the officers arrested and questioned him. Id.
at 1443. The officers filled out an I-213 Form based on the information
obtained from the stop. Id. The government initiated removal proceedings
against Gonzalez-Rivera. Id. The IJ suppressed the I-213 Form, conclud-
ing that stopping Gonzalez-Rivera based solely on his race constituted an
“egregious Fourth Amendment violation.” Id. at 1444. The BIA reversed.
Id. This court reversed the BIA and granted Gonzalez-Rivera’s petition for
review because “the officers’ conduct in this case constituted a bad faith,
egregious constitutional violation that warrants application of the exclu-
sionary rule.” Id. at 1452.
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v. Katz, 533 U.S. 194 (2001).7 As Dietrich Bonhoeffer8 said,
“If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the
corridor in the other direction.”

                                     I.

   In Rodriguez, immigration agents received a tip that Fabi-
ola Gastelum-Lopez (“Lopez”), a native and citizen of Mex-
ico, had used a U.S. citizen’s birth certificate fraudulently to
obtain employment. Id. at 1013. The agents, without a war-
rant, went to the home where Lopez lived with her aunt, Luz
Lopez-Rodriguez (“Rodriguez”), also a native and citizen of
Mexico. Id. at 1014. After Rodriguez opened the door
slightly, the agents “pushed the door and entered” the home
without the consent of either Rodriguez or Lopez.9 Id. The
  7
     In Saucier, two police officers arrested a protester who appeared at a
speech given by Vice President Al Gore at the Presidio Army Base in San
Francisco. 533 U.S. at 197-98. The protester brought an action in district
court, alleging, inter alia, the officers used excessive force to arrest him.
Id. at 199. The district court denied the officers’ motion for summary
judgment, holding there were fact issues as to whether the officers were
entitled to qualified immunity on the excessive force claim. Id. This court
affirmed. Id. at 200. The Supreme Court reversed. Id. at 209. In so hold-
ing, the Supreme Court established that the inquiry for whether a govern-
ment official is entitled to qualified immunity “is whether it would be
clear to a reasonable officer that his conduct was unlawful in the situation
he confronted.” Id. at 202.
   8
     “Dietrich Bonhoeffer (February 4, 1906-April 9, 1945) was a German
Lutheran pastor, theologian, participant in the German Resistance move-
ment against Nazism, and a founding member of the Confessing Church.
He was involved in plots planned by members of the Abwehr (the German
Military Intelligence Office) to assassinate Adolf Hitler. Bonhoeffer was
arrested in March 1943, imprisoned, and eventually executed by hanging
shortly before the war’s end.” Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Wikipedia, the free
encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer (last vis-
ited Jan. 21, 2009).
   9
     The facts relating to the agents’ entry reflect Lopez’s testimony before
the immigration judge (“IJ”). See Rodriguez, 536 F.3d at 1014. The agents
did not testify at the removal hearing, so the IJ “credited Lopez’s version
of the events.” Id. at 1015.
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agents neither broke the door down nor pushed it open so
forcefully as to injure either woman in any way. See id.

   The agents questioned Lopez, who gave inconsistent
answers about her name and place of birth. Id. The agents
then arrested both Lopez and Rodriguez. Id. The agents fur-
ther questioned Lopez and Rodriguez while in custody, and
both women admitted their immigration status and country of
origin. Id. Neither woman suggested on appeal that the ques-
tioning included any physical or mental coercion. See id.

   For each woman, the agents prepared I-213 Forms, Record
of Deportable/Inadmissible Aliens, that established that both
Lopez and Rodriguez “are natives and citizens of Mexico not
authorized to be in the United States.” Id. The agents also pro-
duced a Record of Sworn Statement for Lopez in which she
“admitted that she had received a [false] birth certificate”
from her supervisor at work. Id.

   The government then initiated removal proceedings against
both petitioners. Id. Before an immigration judge (“IJ”), the
petitioners moved to suppress the I-213 Forms and the Record
of Sworn Statement as the fruits of an “egregious” violation
of the Fourth Amendment. Id. The IJ denied the petitioners’
joint motion because the agents’ violations of the petitioners’
Fourth Amendment rights were not “so egregious” as to war-
rant application of the exclusionary rule. Id. at 1015. The IJ
ordered both petitioners removed. Id. On appeal, the Board of
Immigration Appeals (“BIA”) affirmed the IJ’s decision. Id.

   The panel reversed and granted the petition for review. Id.
The panel held that the information in the I-213 Forms and
the Record of Sworn Statement “was obtained in violation of
[the petitioners’] Fourth Amendment rights and that the viola-
tion was ‘egregious.’ ” Id. The panel based its holding on its
conclusion that “reasonable INS agents should have known
that they were violating the Fourth Amendment when they
entered [the petitioners’] residence.” Id. at 1019 (emphasis
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added). In other words, the panel imported the unrelated test
for refusing qualified immunity, established by the Supreme
Court in Saucier v. Katz, 533 U.S. at 202, to determine not
whether the immigration officers were entitled to qualified
immunity, but whether the exclusionary rule should be used
in this civil context. See id.; see also Adamson, 745 F.2d at
545-46.

                                    II.

   The panel’s holding in this case is in direct conflict with
that of the Supreme Court in Mendoza. In Mendoza, the
majority held that the “balance between costs and benefits
comes out against applying the exclusionary rule in civil
deportation hearings.” 468 U.S. at 1050. Nonetheless, the
panel here did just the opposite—applied the exclusionary
rule in civil removal hearings.

  The exclusion of evidence “has always been our last resort,
not our first impulse.” Herring v. United States, 129 S. Ct.
695, 700 (2009) (citation and quotation marks omitted).10 The
exclusionary rule “applies only where it results in appreciable
deterrence” that outweighs “its substantial social costs.” Id. at
  10
     In Herring, a police officer called a county warrant clerk to see
whether there were any outstanding arrest warrants for a suspect. 129
S. Ct. at 698. The clerk checked a computer database and told the officer
that there was a warrant for the suspect’s arrest. Id. The officer then
arrested the suspect and discovered methamphetamine and a pistol in the
suspect’s possession during a search incident to arrest. Id. However, when
the clerk went to retrieve the actual warrant from the files in order to fax
a copy to the officer, she discovered it had been recalled five months ear-
lier. Id. The database had not been updated to reflect the recall. Id. By the
time the clerk called the officer to notify him of the mistake, the suspect
had been arrested and searched. Id.
  At his trial for illegal drug and gun possession, the suspect moved to
suppress the evidence. Id. at 699. The district court denied the motion
because “the arresting officers had acted in . . . good-faith,” and the Elev-
enth Circuit affirmed. Id. The Supreme Court affirmed the Eleventh Cir-
cuit. id.
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700-01 (citations, internal quotation marks, and alterations
omitted). In Mendoza, the Supreme Court reached its conclu-
sion that the exclusionary rule is inapplicable in civil immi-
gration proceedings after a careful weighing of the rule’s
costs and benefits in this context.

   The Court identified one benefit of utilizing the exclusion-
ary rule in immigration hearings: deterrence of immigration
agents’ unconstitutional conduct. Id. at 1041. However, the
Court noted several factors that undermine the deterrent value
of the exclusionary rule in immigration cases. Id. at 1043-45.
For example, because 97.5% of aliens agree to voluntary
departure without a hearing, “it is highly unlikely that any
particular arrestee will end up challenging the unlawfulness of
his arrest in a formal deportation proceeding”; therefore, “the
arresting officer is most unlikely to shape his conduct in antic-
ipation of the exclusion of evidence at a formal deportation
hearing.” Id. at 1044. Similarly, the INS already has a “com-
prehensive scheme for deterring Fourth Amendment viola-
tions,” including education about Fourth Amendment law,
regulations requiring the exclusion of evidence “seized
through intentionally unlawful conduct” from proceedings,
and “a procedure for investigating and punishing . . . viola-
tions.” Id. at 1044-45.

   Moreover, the Court concluded that “the social costs of
applying the exclusionary rule in deportation proceedings are
both unusual and significant.” Id. at 1046. Most notably, an
alien’s illegal presence in this country is an ongoing violation
of the law, and the effective application of the exclusionary
rule could lead to an alien’s continued unregistered presence
in the United States. Id. at 1046-47. To extend the exclusion-
ary rule in this way goes too far, the Court concluded:

    The constable’s blunder may allow the criminal to
    go free, but we have never suggested that it allows
    the criminal to continue in the commission of the
    ongoing crime. When the crime in question involves
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       unlawful presence in this country, the criminal may
       go free, but he should not go free within our borders.

Id. at 1047. Finally, the introduction of complex Fourth
Amendment issues to the “deliberately simple deportation
hearing system” would divert limited immigration resources
from their main goal of processing “very large numbers” of
removal actions. Id. at 1048. Therefore, the Court concluded
that the costs of the exclusionary rule outweigh its benefits in
the civil immigration context.11 Id. at 1050. Nonetheless, the
panel in Rodriguez applied the exclusionary rule to civil
removal proceedings.

                                   III.

   As one might suspect of an intermediate court, we have
never frontally challenged the Supreme Court’s determination
that the balancing of costs and benefits rules out the use of the
exclusionary rule in immigration cases. Instead, this court has
relied on dicta asserted in a part of the Mendoza opinion
signed by a mere plurality of the Court. Four justices noted
that “we do not deal here with egregious violations of the
Fourth Amendment or other liberties that might transgress
notions of fundamental fairness and undermine the probative
value of the evidence obtained. Cf. Rochin v. California, 342
U.S. 165 . . . (1952).” Id. at 1050-51.
  11
     Another cost the Court did not consider: the possibility that applica-
tion of the exclusionary rule increases crime. See generally Raymond A.
Atkins & Paul H. Rubin, Effects of Criminal Procedure on Crime Rates:
Mapping Out the Consequences of the Exclusionary Rule, 46 J. Law &
Econ. 157 (2003) (finding empirical support for the idea that application
of the exclusionary rule will lead criminals to commit more crime, because
the probability of conviction or detection is reduced when police “substi-
tut[e] away from those activities that require a warrant toward those that
do not”). By the same logic, the extension of the exclusionary rule to civil
immigration proceedings could lead to an increase in illegal border cross-
ings.
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   Our cases have relied on—but, alas, have misapplied—this
dicta to provide support for the application of the exclusion-
ary rule in certain immigration cases. See Gonzalez-Rivera, 22
F.3d at 1449. The Rodriguez panel, following circuit prece-
dent, held that a “Fourth Amendment violation is ‘egregious’
if ‘evidence is obtained by deliberate violations of the Fourth
Amendment, or by conduct a reasonable officer should have
known is in violation of the Constitution.” 536 F.3d at 1081
(citations, brackets, and emphasis omitted). This standard
equates the Mendoza dicta with the qualified immunity stan-
dard of Saucier v. Katz.

   Let’s say the immigration officers had no warrant. Let’s say
they also had no probable cause to believe a crime was being
committed or was about to be committed. Further, there were
no exigent circumstances suggesting the petitioners might
escape. Finally, let’s say the officers had just read Saucier v.
Katz thoroughly and correctly, and they knew they had no
right to enter the petitioners’ home. If the immigration offi-
cers knew—no doubt about it and flat out—that they had no
right to enter the petitioners’ house, the officers would then
be deprived of qualified immunity in a § 1983 action based on
their violation of the Fourth Amendment. But note: in this
hypothetical, I have not described the conduct of the officers.
Hence, we cannot judge—and the panel in Rodriguez could
not judge—whether their conduct was “egregious.”

   The Mendoza plurality cited a single case as an example of
an egregious violation of the Fourth Amendment: Rochin v.
California, 342 U.S. 165 (1952). Rochin, notably, does not
deal with whether the officers knew or should have known
they were violating Rochin’s rights. It instead deals specifi-
cally with the conduct of law enforcement officers, who forci-
bly arrested Rochin and obtained drug possession evidence
without Rochin’s consent by forcing a tube down his throat to
pump his stomach; Rochin had been observed swallowing
something very quickly, just seconds after seeing the officers
who would arrest him. Id. at 166.
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       This is conduct that shocks the conscience. Illegally
       breaking into the privacy of the petitioner, the strug-
       gle to open his mouth and remove what was there,
       the forcible extraction of his stomach’s contents—
       this course of proceeding by agents of government to
       obtain evidence is bound to offend even hardened
       sensibilities. They are methods too close to the rack
       and screw to permit of constitutional differentiation.

Id. at 172 (emphasis added). Not only was the conduct of the
officers in Rodriguez—who violated the Fourth Amendment
when they pushed their way into the petitioners’ residence
without consent—in no way on a par with that of the officers
in Rochin, but the Rodriguez panel did not even examine the
officers’ conduct. Instead, the panel imported the unrelated
Saucier v. Katz qualified immunity standard and asked
whether the officers knew they were violating the petitioners’
Fourth Amendment rights. The officers’ knowledge does not
fall within the definition of “egregious” conduct asserted by
the Mendoza dicta, as illustrated by the plurality’s citation:
“Cf. Rochin v California, 342 U.S. 165 . . . (1952).”12 Men-
doza, 468 U.S. at 1051.

   Finally, the Mendoza dicta seems to posit a conjunctive test.13
  12
      “Literally, ‘cf.’ means ‘compare.’ ” The Bluebook: A Uniform System
of Citation 47 (Columbia Law Review Ass’n et al. eds., 18th ed. 2005).
The use of “cf.” signals that the “[c]ited authority supports a proposition
different from the main proposition but sufficiently analogous to lend sup-
port.” Id.
   13
      Textually, the test of the Mendoza dicta is phrased in the conjunctive,
but the better reading, which I propose had best be left to the Court, which
authored the phrase, may be to treat the test as disjunctive because the
Mendoza plurality cited to Rochin v. California, 342 U.S. 165 (1952), as
its only example of egregiousness. While the conduct of the officers in
Rochin—pumping a suspect’s stomach without consent—transgressed
notions of fundamental fairness, the results of this egregious conduct pro-
duced evidence of undoubted probative value: the unlawful drugs in
Rochin’s possession that Rochin had swallowed when confronted by
police. Id. at 206.
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To trigger application of the exclusionary rule, the “egre-
gious” conduct must both (1) “transgress notions of funda-
mental fairness” and (2) “undermine the probative value of
the evidence obtained.” 468 U.S. at 1050-51. Even were
entering the petitioners’ residence without consent to trans-
gress notions of fundamental fairness in law enforcement
dealings, the petitioners have never claimed that the state-
ments in the I-213 Forms and Record of Sworn Statement
were rendered unreliable because of the methods of question-
ing and documentation used by the officers—their conduct.
The petitioners did not claim that the immigration officers
coerced their confessions or that the officers’ actions in some
other way undermined the probative value of the information
contained in the statements.

   Therefore, even if the Mendoza dicta implies support for
the sometimes application of the exclusionary rule in civil
immigration proceedings, the panel misapplied such implica-
tion in two ways: (1) by reading “egregious” as describing the
officers’ knowledge rather than their conduct and (2) perhaps
by failing to assess the probative value of the evidence so pro-
duced in a conjunctive test.

                              IV.

   The Ninth Circuit is not alone in reading the Mendoza dicta
as permitting the application of the exclusionary rule in cases
of egregious Fourth Amendment violations. The First and
Second Circuits have done so as well. However, those circuits
have interpreted “egregious” correctly, as limited by the Men-
doza plurality’s citation to Rochin v. California; that is, they
have interpreted “egregious” as describing the conduct of
investigating officers toward the petitioner alien.

  In Kandamar v. Gonzales, 464 F.3d 65, 71-72 (1st Cir.
2006), the First Circuit defined “egregious government con-
duct” as “government misconduct by threats, coercion or
physical abuse.” Kandamar, a native and citizen of Morocco,
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entered the United States legally but overstayed his visa. Id.
at 67. In response to a Department of Homeland Security
(“DHS”) National Security Entry-Exit Registration System
notice, Kandamar reported to a Boston federal building to reg-
ister as a nonimmigrant alien. Id. at 67-68. Kandamar pres-
ented his expired Moroccan passport, which DHS officers
took. Id. DHS officers then arrested Kandamar and placed
him in removal proceedings because he had overstayed his
visa. Id. at 67.

   Kandamar moved to suppress the evidence gathered by
DHS and alleged the registration requirement constituted an
egregious violation of his constitutional rights in that it “cons-
titute[d] racial profiling and discrimination based on national
origin; violate[d] substantive due process because its use ‘to
entrap nationals of certain countries’ [wa]s fundamentally
unfair; and violate[d] equal protection by treating legal and
illegal entrants differently.” Id. at 68. An IJ denied Kanda-
mar’s motion to suppress and ordered him removed. Id. The
BIA dismissed Kandamar’s appeal. Id. at 69. The First Circuit
denied Kandamar’s petition for review and affirmed the
denial of Kandamar’s motion to suppress because “Kandamar
did not proffer any specific evidence of any government mis-
conduct by threats, coercion or physical abuse . . . that would
constitute egregious government conduct.” Id. at 71. There-
fore, the First Circuit’s interpretation of “egregious” in the
Mendoza dicta refers to the officers’ conduct.

   The Second Circuit reaches a similar conclusion. In
Almeida-Amaral v. Gonzales, 461 F.3d 231, 236 (2d Cir.
2006) (emphasis added), the Second Circuit defined “egre-
giousness” as based on “the characteristics and severity of the
offending conduct.” A border patrol agent approached
Almeida-Amaral, a native and citizen of Brazil, in a gas sta-
tion parking lot and requested identification. Id. at 232. The
agent arrested Almeida-Amaral when he presented his Brazil-
ian passport. Id. Almeida-Amaral then told the agent he was
a Brazilian citizen illegally in the United States; these state-
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ments formed the basis of an I-213 Form prepared by the
agent. Id. at 233.

   Almeida-Amaral moved to suppress the I-213 Form as the
fruit of an illegal seizure; he contended that “because the uni-
formed agent was wearing a firearm and because he com-
manded [Almeida-Amaral] to ‘Stop,’ [Almeida-Amaral] was
seized without any cause whatsoever in clear violation of his
constitutional rights.” Id. An IJ denied Almeida-Amaral’s
motion to suppress. Id. The IJ ordered Almeida-Amaral
removed, and the BIA affirmed. Id. The Second Circuit
denied Almeida-Amaral’s petition for review. Id. at 238. The
court reasoned that, while the agent had no valid reason for
stopping Almeida-Amaral, “more is needed”—a seizure is
“egregious” if it is “gross or unreasonable” or “sufficiently
severe.” Id. at 235-36.

   Thus, both the First and Second Circuits evaluate “egre-
giousness” in terms of the conduct of law enforcement offi-
cers toward the petitioner, while our Rodriguez panel looked
to the officers’ knowledge of the Fourth Amendment’s stric-
tures. Rodriguez was worthy of en banc reconsideration not
only because it flatly conflicts with a Supreme Court holding
(Mendoza), but also because it constitutes a split with two of
our sister circuits. Fed. R. App. P. 35.14

                                   V.

   Judge Bybee’s fine concurrence puts it well: “our precedent
has set us on a collision course with the Supreme Court. . . .
[by] import[ing] the exclusionary rule, with all of its attendant
costs, back into immigration proceedings, after the Court has
taken it out.” Rodriguez, 536 F.3d at 1019-20 (Bybee, J., con-
curring). Because this case directly conflicts with Supreme
Court precedent as well as the positions of two of our sister
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   I have been unable to find any other circuit court that agrees with our
Rodriguez reasoning or holding.
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circuits, I must respectfully dissent from the order denying
rehearing en banc.
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