
419 B.R. 826 (2009)
In re Russell L SMITH, Joy C Smith; and
In re Mynor A. Salguero, Cecilia Salguero; and
In re Christopher H. George Debtor(s).
Nos. 1:08-bk-17343-MT, 1:08-bk-19355-MT, 1:08-bk-18885-MT.
United States Bankruptcy Court, C.D. California.
October 9, 2009.
*827 Louis J. Esbin, Valencia, CA, Kevin T. Simon, Simon & Resnik LLP, Sherman Oaks, CA, Giovanni Orantes, Orantes Law Firm, Los Angeles, CA, for Debtors.

AMENDED MEMORANDUM OF LAW RE: DEBTOR'S ELIGIBILITY UNDER 11 U.S.C. § 109(e) IN LIGHT OF UNDERSECURED DEBT EXCEEDING DEBT LIMITS
MAUREEN A. TIGHE, Bankruptcy Judge.

Introduction
These cases present the increasingly common issue of how an undersecured debt should be treated in determining the debt limitations to qualify for a Chapter 13 bankruptcy where the debt arises out of the debtor's principal residence. Section *828 109(e) of the Bankruptcy Code requires that all debtors filing a petition for relief under Chapter 13 have noncontingent, liquidated, unsecured debts of less than $336,900 and noncontingent, liquidated, secured debts of less than $1,010,650.[1] There are two questions presented here for purposes of determining eligibility to file Chapter 13 under 11 U.S.C § 109(e): (1) should the wholly unsecured junior deed of trust be treated as a secured or unsecured claim, and (2) should the partially secured first deed of trust on a residence be bifurcated into secured and unsecured amounts for an eligibility determination?

Facts
Russell and Joy Smith ("the Smiths" or "debtors") filed a chapter 13 petition on September 25, 2008. On schedules E and F, the Smiths listed unsecured claims of $87,195. On schedule D, the Smiths listed two mortgages secured by their principal residence. The Smiths also listed secured tax debt and a note secured by a security interest in their vehicle. The Smiths valued their principal residence at $425,000. They scheduled the first deed of trust, held by Countrywide Home Loans, at $547,782. They scheduled the second deed of trust, held by Washington Mutual, at $250,000. They scheduled their secured tax debt at $8,282.70. They valued their car at $12,000, and the promissory note secured by the car at $13,775.14. In total, the Smiths scheduled $337,195 in general unsecured debt and the fully unsecured second trust deed. The unsecured portion of the first trust deed and the tax debt would add more to this total. On May 15, 2009, an order was entered granting the debtors' motion to value their principal residence under Lam v. Thrift Investors (In re Lam), 211 B.R. 36 (9th Cir. BAP 1997) and allowing for the avoidance of the junior lien upon discharge.
Christopher Harmon George ("George" or "debtor") filed a chapter 13 petition on November 6, 2008. On schedules E and F, George listed $324,397 in unsecured claims.[2] George also listed two mortgages secured by his principal residence. He valued his principal residence at $382,000 and scheduled the first deed of trust, held by Bank of America, at $389,233. He scheduled the second deed of trust, also held by Bank of America, at $269,002. George brought a motion to avoid the lien created by the second trust deed under Lam. The Court granted the motion on February 10, 2009. The general unsecured debt added to the fully unsecured second deed of trust would amount to $593,399 in unsecured debt. The Chapter 13 Trustee objected to the confirmation of Debtor's plan because debtor's unsecured debt exceeded section 109(e)'s debt limit.
Mynor and Cecilia Salguero ("the Salgueros" or "debtors") filed a chapter 13 petition on November 20, 2008. On schedules E and F, the Salgueros listed unsecured debts of $102,380. On Schedule D, the Salgueros listed three mortgages secured by their principal residence.[3] They *829 valued their principal residence at $524,250. They scheduled the first deed of trust, held by Indymac Bank, at $555,000. They scheduled the second deed of trust, held by Washington Mutual Mortgage, at $245,548. They scheduled the third deed of trust, held by Washington Mutual Mortgage, at $225,867. This amounts to $573,795 in general unsecured debt when combined with the unsecured junior trust deeds. On June 24, 2009, an order was entered approving a stipulation between the junior lien holders and the debtor to extinguish the liens upon entry of discharge.

Discussion
A debtor must meet the debt limits as of the petition date. Scovis v. Henrichsen (In re Scovis), 249 F.3d 975, 981 (9th Cir.2001). Post-petition events do not change the debt limit analysis. Slack v. Wilshire Insurance Company (In re Slack), 187 F.3d 1070, 1072 (9th Cir.1999). Initially, a court looks at a debtor's schedules to determine whether the debtor meets the debt limit requirements. Scovis, 249 F.3d at 982. A court may look beyond the schedules if there are allegations or indicia that the schedules were not filled out in good faith. Id., see Soderlund v. Cohen (In re Soderlund), 236 B.R. 271, 273 (9th Cir. BAP 1999)(finding a court properly looked to proofs of claim and the Chapter 13 plan when the debtor filed multiple versions of schedules). Bad faith, in this context, exists when it appears to a legal certainty that the claim is not what the debtor reported. See Scovis, 249 F.3d at 982-983, citing Matter of Pearson, 773 F.2d 751, 757 (6th Cir.1985). In all of the cases before this court, there are no allegations of bad faith.[4] The Court, accordingly, must base its determination solely on the debts that debtors reported on their schedules.
According to the schedules filed in the cases at issue here, each of these debtors has significantly exceeded the debt limits and appears not to be eligible for Chapter 13. The debtors seek to reorganize under Chapter 13 by paying the arrearages on their first trust deeds over time and by avoiding the liens of the junior trust deeds. If they are not eligible for Chapter 13 relief, a Chapter 11 case would be prohibitively expensive and may mean they cannot find a way to save their home through bankruptcy reorganization. The debtors have made various arguments as to why they do not exceed the debt limits and their cases should not be dismissed.
The first issue they raise is whether the "undersecured"[5] debt is considered liquidated. Only noncontingent, liquidated, debts count for purposes of calculating the debt limits. A debt is liquidated when it is "`readily ascertainable, notwithstanding the fact that the question of liability has not been finally decided.'" In re Guastella, 341 B.R. 908, 916 (9th Cir. BAP 2006), quoting Slack v. Wilshire Ins. Co. (In re Slack), 187 F.3d 1070, 1073-75 (9th Cir.1999). A debt is readily determinable when it would only require a simple hearing to determine the amount of the debt. Guastella, 341 B.R. at 917.
*830 Debtors argue that the debt secured by a second deed of trust is unliquidated because it is unknown whether the debt will be determined to be secured at the time the schedules are filed. The motion to value the lien is not filed until after the case is underway, and the court does not determine value until a subsequent hearing. Debtors further argue that 11 U.S.C. § 1322(b)(2)'s special protection for claims secured by the primary residence prevents the court from readily ascertaining the full security because the court might have to consider multiple property valuations to determine whether the claim is partially secured or fully unsecured.
The calculation of a debt's secured status usually requires only a simple hearing, and among the hundreds of motions to value junior liens in the last year in this court, this generally has been an uncontested hearing.[6] A court needs simply to look at the contract, recent evidence of the amount due and an appraisal or other evidence of the property's value provided by the debtor. From this information, the court can easily determine to what extent the debt is secured.[7] Section 1322(b)(2)'s special protections for claims secured solely by a debtor's principal residence do not increase the difficulty of this analysis. The court is determining whether the junior trust deed is wholly unsecured and not modifying or even valuing the partially unsecured first trust deed. Because the court can determine the fully unsecured portion of these junior trust deeds with a simple hearing, these debts are considered liquidated.
The Ninth Circuit, in Scovis, stated that undersecured debt must be considered unsecured for a § 109(e) eligibility determination. 249 F.3d 975, 983-985 (9th Cir.2001). In Scovis the Debtors valued their residence at $325,000. Id. at 983. A first deed of trust encumbered the property. Id. The first deed of trust secured a promissory note totaling $249,026.91. Id. The property also secured a judgment lien of $208,000. Id. The debtors listed a homestead exemption of $100,000. Id. The Scovis court looked to § 506(a) to define "secured" and "unsecured" in the § 109(e) context. Id. The Scovis court found that the vast majority of all courts, including all circuit courts, that addressed the issue found that undersecured debt counted as unsecured debt for § 109(e) purposes. Applying § 506(a), the Ninth Circuit determined that $132,026.91 of the judgment lien was undersecured and counted as unsecured debt. The court then looked to the debtor's exemption and determined that the debtor's $100,000 exemption left the other portion of the judgment lien as unsecured debt. The court classified the remaining $75,973.09 as unsecured because it was readily ascertainable that the Debtors could avoid the lien in the bankruptcy. The court found that because the Debtors listed both the homestead exemption and the lien, the bankruptcy court had a sufficient degree of certainty, on the petition date, that the Debtors could avoid the lien.
Debtors here argue that Scovis does not apply. Debtors first assert that the facts in the instant cases differ significantly from the facts before the Ninth Circuit in *831 Scovis. Debtors argue that the Bankruptcy Code favors consensual liens such as those at issue here. Unlike judgment liens, a debtor cannot use 11 U.S.C. § 522(f)(1)(A) to strip a consensual lien. Debtors may not avoid a consensual lien until a court issues a Chapter 13 discharge or confirms a Chapter 11 plan. This comparison, while accurate, does not explain why this court should treat consensual liens differently for § 109(e) purposes. If a court dismisses a case in which a debtor used § 522(f) to strip a judgment lien, § 349(b)(1)(b) restores the lien. Thus a lien strip under § 522(f), which is very similar to the valuation and stripping of a consensual lien, is not final until discharge. Further, the Ninth Circuit, in Scovis, cited to In re Miller, 907 F.2d 80 (8th Cir.1990). The Miller court explicitly found that an undersecured portion of a consensual lien counted towards the debtor's unsecured debt limit. The similarities in the finality in the stripping of a judgment lien and a consensual lien and Scovis's citation to a case determining the undersecured portion of a consensual lien to be unsecured debt for debt limit purposes suggest that Scovis's analysis does extend to consensual liens.
Debtors further argue that the Bankruptcy Code does not avoid the undersecured liens because the claims remain "secured" until the discharge is entered. The discharge then satisfies the liens' purpose and the liens fall away. Cal. Civ.Code § 2909 (2009). Under this approach, the lien remains secured during the bankruptcy, and the court cannot consider it unsecured debt for § 109(e) purposes. Debtors cite to the language of Dewsnup v. Timm, 502 U.S. 410, 417, 112 S.Ct. 773, 116 L.Ed.2d 903 (1992), ruling that in a Chapter 7 bankruptcy "the creditor's lien stays with the real property until the foreclosure. That is what was bargained for between the mortgagor and the mortgagee. The voidness language sensibly applies only to the security aspect of the lien and then only to the real deficiency in the security."
This argument misstates how the lien avoidance operates in a Chapter 13 or 11. Section 506(a) allows the court to value the property. Once the court values the property, § 506(d) voids any lien or portions of a lien securing a debt that exceeds the value of the property. This lien is then void for purposes of the bankruptcy. Once the court issues a Chapter 13 discharge or confirms a Chapter 11 plan, the lien avoidance is complete. See In re Zimmer, 313 F.3d 1220 (9th Cir.2002); Gold Coast Acquisition v. In re 1441 Veteran Street (In re 1441 Veteran Street), 144 F.3d 1288 (9th Cir.1998).[8] California Civil Code § 2909 does not play a role in this process, and decisions subsequent to Dewsnup limit its applicability to the Chapter 7 context in which the issue arose. See, e.g., Lam, Zimmer, supra.
While debtor argues quite persuasively that Scovis should not control here, its ruling is broad and appears to clearly apply to these cases. It holds that completely undersecured liens must count as unsecured debt for purposes of § 109(e). This approach to the undersecured debt is consistent with other courts that have ruled on the issue. See, e.g., In re Toronto, 165 B.R. 746 (Bankr.D.Conn.1994)("Construing the § 109(e) unsecured debt limitation to include claims deemed unsecured by operation of the Code is consistent with the approach most courts have taken in considering the effect of § 506(a) on § 109(e)."); *832 In re Prosper, 168 B.R. 274 (Bankr. D.Conn.1994) ("It is patently unfair for the debtor to be permitted to treat a claim as unsecured for the purposes of distribution, which in this case would have resulted in no distribution whatsoever, and yet treat the same claim as fully secured for the purpose of evading the unsecured debt limitation of § 109(e).")
While the analysis of Scovis controls the result when considering the fully unsecured junior trust deeds, a different question arises with respect to the partially secured first trust deed. Section 1322(b)(2) prevents a bankruptcy court from modifying a lien secured only by a debtor's principal residence. Nobelman v. American Savings Bank (In re Nobelman), 508 U.S. 324, 113 S.Ct. 2106, 124 L.Ed.2d 228 (1993). Thus, while the Bankruptcy Court may still value a debtor's principal residence, the Code does not allow the Court to modify a lien even partially secured by the residence. See Zimmer v. PSB Lending Corp.(In re Zimmer), 313 F.3d 1220 (9th Cir.2002). The Bankruptcy Appellate Panel for the Ninth Circuit recognized this issue in the case In re Soderlund, 236 B.R. 271, 273 (9th Cir. BAP 1999). The Soderlund court classified fully undersecured debt as unsecured for § 109(e) purposes but, in footnote 5, it opined that it might come to a different conclusion if confronted with a loan partially secured by a debtor's principal residence. Soderlund, at n. 5.
The debtors read footnote 5 to say that a court should find any debt secured when § 1322(b)(2) might prevent a debtor from modifying the loan. They wish to extend the limitation placed on modifying a partially secured trust deed to wholly unsecured junior liens on the primary residence. While footnote 5 is simply dicta, it does indicate the problem with applying Scovis and Soderlund to debtor's primary residence indebtedness. Debtors' reading of the footnote is, however, far broader than § 1322(b)(2) requires. At best, the footnote indicates that a court should consider a debt secured for purposes of the § 109(e) analysis if it finds a mortgage on the primary residence partially secured.[9] This interpretation hews closely to Scovis' requirement that a court consider all undersecured debt unsecured for purposes of § 109(e) analysis, but recognizes the realities of how that particular debt will be treated in the bankruptcy case. It also would not be appropriate to split a claim for eligibility purposes if that claim must be treated as fully secured at confirmation. Accord, In re Toronto, 165 B.R. 746 (Bankr.D.Conn.1994).
In order to avoid treating a lien one way for confirmation and another for eligibility, and to treat the partially secured senior trust deeds consistent with Nobelman and Zimmer, any lien which is partially secured on debtor's primary residence will be treated as a secured debt for § 109(e) purposes as well.

Conclusion
Where debtors' schedules show the senior deeds of trust exceeding the home's value, the junior trust deeds must be counted as unsecured debt. Where a trust deed is partially secured on a debtor's primary residence, that debt will be counted as secured debt for § 109(e) purposes.
While the court does not have the freedom to distinguish Scovis in the manner proposed by the debtors, it agrees that it *833 is inequitable to deny middle class debtors with only a single family home access to Chapter 13. The Chapter 13 debt limits are simply too low for a large number of middle class homeowners in this district, especially where home values have plummeted steeply leaving such large amounts of unsecured debt. This court must apply the law as it exists, however, and that causes these debtors to exceed § 109(e)'s debt limit. These cases will, accordingly, be dismissed as exceeding the debt limits.
In order to give debtors an opportunity to evaluate whether they wish to appeal this ruling, the dismissal order will not issue until after the court's regularly scheduled Chapter 13 calendar on August 11, 2009. Should these debtors wish to have their case stayed pending appeal, they should file a motion to do so by August 21, 2009.
Although the language in Scovis and Soderlund controls as to classification of undersecured debt on a primary residence, neither of those cases directly addressed the lien stripping on a primary residence situation at issue here. Allowing these petitions to continue pending appeal will allow the Debtors to make up arrearages, make it easier to convert to Chapter 11 should that be necessary, and allow the Chapter 13 plans to progress fairly far along should the Court of Appeals modify its ruling in Scovis to allow these cases to remain in Chapter 13.
Should any party appeal, the court will consider entering an order certifying this matter under 28 U.S.C. § 158(d)(2)(B)(i) for direct appeal. There have been a number of other cases presenting this same issue, but they have been dismissed or converted to Chapter 7 for failure to make plan payments before any ruling on the debt limits issue could be issued. Debtors making decisions about how to save their home need to know clearly before a case is filed whether Chapter 13 is a viable option or whether they must find a way to file a much more expensive Chapter 11 case. This is a matter of significant public importance in an area where foreclosure rates are at an historic high and the debt limits set by Congress do not adequately address a large number of average home owners in financial distress.
The following Bankruptcy Judges join in the above ruling:
/s/
Chief Judge Vincent P. Zurzolo,
/s/
Judge Geraldine Mund,
/s/
Judge Kathleen Thompson,
/s/
Robin Riblet,
/s/
Theodor Albert
NOTES
[1]  Congress has placed a uniform eligibility requirement for Chapter 13, regardless of the enormous differences in median home prices across the nation. No one appears to have ever raised the constitutionality of this unequal access to Chapter 13, but it differs markedly from the treatment of debtors in the Chapter 7 "means test" where median incomes and local standardized living expenses are taken into consideration. See 11 U.S.C. § 707(b)(2).
[2]  The Debtor listed $7,339.00 as unliquidated on his schedules. Because George potentially exceeds the debt limit by more than $250,000, the $ 7,339.00 does not affect the debt limit calculation.
[3]  The Salgueros would exceed the debt limit under secured debt if the unsecured junior liens were counted toward secured debt limits. Their only argument is that undersecured debt should not count towards either limit.
[4]  A different analysis might be involved in a case where there appeared to be bad faith manipulation of the schedules. In all these cases, the subsequent motion to avoid lien includes an appraisal generally supporting the values used in the schedules.
[5]  "Undersecured" debt, as used here, is defined as that part of the debt formerly secured by the deed of trust, although "unsecured" would be a more accurate term for these junior trust deeds.
[6]  The substantial difference between the range of value of the house and the amount owed to the holder of the senior lien has meant that few junior lien holders wish to dispute that their liens can be stripped. Thus, the specific value of the property is not being determined in these uncontested motions.
[7]  The Ninth Circuit, in Scovis, implicitly finds as much. If a debtor could claim that the parties cannot know the undersecured amount upon filing of the schedules, then every undersecured claim would be beyond 11 U.S.C. § 109(e) analysis.
[8]  The 2005 revision to 11 U.S.C. § 1141(d)(5) would likely change this result in an individual Chapter 11 case and the discharge would now need to await completion of payments under the plan, as with Chapter 13 plans.
[9]  Finding a mortgage partially secured is the critical question because the Ninth Circuit, in Zimmer v. PSB Lending Corp, determined that section 1322(b) does not protect a loan secured by a lien on a primary residence if that lien is fully undersecured. 313 F.3d 1220 (9th Cir.2002).
