
595 F.Supp.2d 855 (2009)
In re FACTOR VIII OR IX CONCENTRATE BLOOD PRODUCTS LIABILITY LITIGATION.
This document relates to:
Chang, et al. v. Bayer Corp., et al., 04 C 4869
Peng, et al. v. Bayer Corp., et al., 04 C 4868
Ho, et al. v. Bayer Corp., et al., 06 C 7012.
MDL No. 986. No. 93 C 7452.
United States District Court, N.D. Illinois, Eastern Division.
January 14, 2009.
*857 Heather Foster, Kent Lane Klaudt, Elizabeth Joan Cabraser, Lieff, Cabraser, Heimann & Bernstein, LLP, San Francisco, CA, Nicholas Diamand, Lieff Cabraser Heimann & Bernstein LLP, New York, NY, Valerie A, Conzo, Sheldon J. Schlesinger, P.A., Fort Lauderdale, FL, for Plaintiffs.
Y. Chang, pro se.
Yossef Abo-Abed, pro se.
Da Gan Peng, pro se.
Chih-Lung Ho, pro se.
Pamela L. Gellen, Sara J. Gourley, Tamar B. Kelber, Sidley Austin LLP, Nikki Calvano, United States Attorney's Office, Pamela L. Gellen, Jerome H. Torshen, Zoran Dragutinovich, Torshen, Slobig, Genden, Dragutinovich & Axel, Ltd., Michael D. McCormick, Falk Metz LLC, Chicago, IL, R. David Walk, Jr., Dechert, LLP, John J. Snyder, Sima Zolghadri, Mc-Donald & Snyder, Philadelphia, PA, Kaspar J. Stoffelmayr, Bartlit Beck Herman Palenchar & Scott LLP, Denver, CO, Geoffrey R. W. Smith Law Offices, M. Sean Laane, Scott D. Helsel, Arnold & Porter, Washington, DC, Claudia C. Damon, *858 Sheehan, Phinney, Bass & Green Professional Association, Marc R. Scheer, Wadleigh, Starr, Peters, Dunn & Chiesa, Manchester, NH, Crawford S. McGivaren, Jr., Cabaniss, Johnston, Gardner, Dumas & O'Neal, Birmingham, AL, Deborah S. Brynes, Whiteford, Taylor and Preston, Towson, MD, Douglas A. Tate, Attorney at Law, Kokomo, IN, E. Thomas Liese, Holtkamp & Liese, Preston G. Strong, St. Louis, MO, Edward M. Ranger, The Ranger Law Firm, Scottsdale, AZ, Ellen F McCauley, Peter C. Knight, Morrison, Mahoney & Miller, Boston, MA, Joan 0. Vorster Michael R. Mosher, Mirick, O'Connell, Demalle & Lougee, Worcester, MA, Mark F. Aceto, Assistant Attorney General Office Of Arizona Attorney General, Phoenix, AZ, Michael 0. Miller, Quarles & Brady Streich Lang LLP, Tucson, AZ, Robert Huntley, Givens Pursley & Huntley, Boise, ID, Michael M. Futterman, Bower, Sanger & Futterman, New York, NY, Michael L. Baum, Baum Hedlund Aristei, et al., Los Angeles, CA, Russell L. Mulinix, Oklahoma City, OK, Daphne B. Subar, Kevin J. Stack, Knapp, Petersen & Clarke, P.A., Glendale, CA, for Defendants.
Lynn A. Ellenberger, Shefsky & Froelich Ltd., Chicago, IL, for Appellant.
Claudia A. Hunter, Hunter & Associates, P.C., Boston, MA, David S. Shrager, Shrager, McDaid, Loftus, Flum & Spivey, Philadelphia, PA, Debra Ann Thomas, Debra A. Thomas PC, Glen Ellyn, IL, Dianne M. Nast, Roda & Nast, P.C., Lancaster, PA, Douglas Finley Fuson, Madison, WI, Duncan Barr, O'Connor, Cohn, Dillon and Barr, San Francisco, CA, Jack I. Redhair, Chandler Tullar Udall & Redhair, Tucson, AZ, Richard L. Berkman, Philadelphia, PA, Ross M. Goodman, Levin, Middlebrooks, Mabie, Thomas, Mayes & Mitchell, P.A., Pensacola, FL, for In re Factor VIII of IX Concentrate Blood Products. David I. Bell, Probitas Pharma, Inc., Los Angeles, CA, for Defendant/In re Factor VIII of IX Concentrate Blood Products.

MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER

(Ruling on Taiwan Forum Non Conveniens Motion)
JOHN F. GRADY, District Judge.
This multidistrict litigation consists of claims against the defendant pharmaceutical companies by citizens of various foreign countries who suffer from hemophilia. The plaintiffs allege that they contracted the HIV and/or Hepatitis C(HCV) viruses from using contaminated blood products manufactured by one or more of the defendants. The products were derived by the defendants from the plasma of paid blood donors and processed by the defendants into blood-clotting "factor concentrates" which could be infused by hemophiliacs. Plaintiffs allege that the viral contamination of the concentrates resulted from a number of negligent acts and omissions of the defendants in the collection and processing of the blood plasma. A further allegation is that after the defendants discovered the contamination, they withdrew the defective concentrates from distribution in the United States but continued to distribute them in foreign countries for use by unsuspecting foreign citizens, causing them to contract the HIV and/or HCV viruses.
The defendants deny the allegations in the complaints and, in addition, are moving to dismiss each of the cases on the ground of forum non conveniens. We have granted the defendants' motion in regard to the claims of citizens of the United Kingdom, In re Factor VIII or IX Concentrate Blood Products Liability Litigation, 408 F.Supp.2d 569 (N.D.Ill.2006), aff'd, In re *859 Factor VIII or IX Concentrate Blood Products Litigation, 484 F.3d 951 (7th Cir. 2007); Argentina, In Re Factor VIII or IX Concentrate Blood Products Litigation, 531 F.Supp.2d 957 (N.D.Ill.2008) (presently on appeal); and Israel, In Re Factor VIII or IX Concentrate Blood Products Liability Litigation, 2008 WL 4866431 (N.D.Ill. June 4, 2008) (presently on appeal).
The history of the litigation is recounted in our United Kingdom decision, 408 F.Supp.2d at 570-73. The present opinion is addressed to the motion of two of the four multidistrict defendants, Bayer Corporation and Baxter Healthcare Corporation, to dismiss the three complaints brought against them by citizens of Taiwan on the ground of forum non conveniens. The three complaints, involving a total of 37 individual plaintiffs, were filed in the United States District Courts for the Northern and Central Districts of California and transferred here by the Judicial Panel on Multidistrict Litigation. (The other two pharmaceutical companies named in complaints brought by citizens of other countries are not named in the Taiwan complaints.)[1]
The three Taiwan complaints are substantially similar. The parties have tended to focus in their briefs on the Chang complaint as illustrative, and, for convenience, we will refer to these Taiwan claims as the Chang case.[2]
Another difference between Chang and the rest of the cases in the MDL is that Chang alleges not only the tortious conduct that resulted in plaintiffs' infections, but, in addition, a claim that the plaintiffs were fraudulently induced by defendants to enter into a "humanitarian agreement" (the "Humanitarian Agreement") that purported to release any claims they might have against the defendants in return for a payment of $60,000 to each plaintiff. The allegation is that although the defendants knew at the time of the agreement that plaintiffs' infections had been caused by the defendants' negligent manufacture of their products, they concealed that fact from the plaintiffs and from the Taiwan Ministry of Health, which participated in the negotiations leading to the agreement and recommended to the plaintiffs that they accept the settlement. The plaintiffs do not make a claim for rescission of the agreement, but seek, rather, to recover damages, including an additional payment based on a "scale-up" provisiona provision of the agreement that calls for plaintiffs to receive additional moneys that might be necessary to make their total payments equal to any that might be received by other persons who settled their claims with the defendants.[3] (The "First Generation" claimants in this MDL settled with defendants for $100,000 per person.)
The defendants deny any fraudulent inducement or concealment and plead the Humanitarian Agreement as a settlement that bars the plaintiffs' tort claims against them.


*860 THE LAW OF FORUM NON CONVENIENS

The defendants argue that the litigation of these claims in either of the California districts would be oppressively inconvenient for them for essentially the same reasons they have successfully moved to dismiss the other foreign claims. Taiwan, in their view, would be substantially more convenient for them and not substantially more inconvenient for the plaintiffs than California.
As we stated in Abad,
The steps involved in a forum non conveniens analysis are well-settled. The first step is a two-part inquiry as to whether the proposed alternative forum... is available and adequate for the litigation of plaintiffs' claims. Kamel v. Hill-Rom Co., 108 F.3d 799, 802-03 (7th Cir.1997) ("An alternative forum is available if all parties are amenable to process and are within the forum's jurisdiction. An alternative forum is adequate when the parties will not be deprived of all remedies or treated unfairly."). If the alternative forum is both available and adequate, "the district court must then balance the private and public interest factors that emerge in a given case." Id. (citations omitted).
531 F.Supp.2d at 959-60.

AVAILABILITY
The defendants agree as a condition of dismissal that they will accept service of process in Taiwan and that they will not challenge the Taiwanese court's jurisdiction. According to the defendants' expert witness, Peter Tuen-Ho Yang, a Taiwanese law professor, Taiwanese courts accept jurisdiction by consent (Yang Decl. ¶ 40), and plaintiffs offer no contrary opinion. Defendants also include in their motion to dismiss the additional stipulations we have found sufficient to protect the plaintiffs in Gullone, Abad and Ashkenazi. (Defs.' Mot. to Dismiss ¶ 2.)
Despite the statement of the Seventh Circuit in Kamel, 108 F.3d at 802, that "[a]n alternative forum is available if all parties are amenable to process and are within the forum's jurisdiction," the Chang plaintiffs begin their discussion with the statement that "[i]n determining whether Taiwan is an available forum, the issue is primarily whether the alternate forum affords plaintiff an adequate remedy." (Pls.' Mem. in Opp'n to Defs.' Mot. to Dismiss at 11.) Adequacy is a separate question, and we will consider it separately. As for the initial question of availability, we find that Taiwan is an available forum for the litigation of plaintiffs' claims because all parties are amenable to process and are within the Taiwanese court's jurisdiction.

ADEQUACY
A forum is "adequate" "when the parties will not be deprived of all remedies or treated unfairly," Kamel, 108 F.3d at 803. According to defendants' expert Professor Yang, all of the remedies sought by plaintiffs are available in the Taiwan courts. (Yang Decl. ¶¶ 41, 43-46.)
Plaintiffs' argument that the Taiwan forum is inadequate is based entirely upon their contention that their negligence and fraudulent inducement claims are probably barred by limitations in Taiwan. (Pls.' Mem. in Opp'n at 11-13.) As proof, they cite a case involving negligence and fraudulent inducement claims similar to theirs, the Peng case, which was dismissed by the Taiwan court on limitations grounds. (Pls.' Surreply at 9-11.)[4] (We *861 have recently been informed by the defendants that the Taiwan Supreme Court has rejected the Peng appeal, so the result is final.) Plaintiffs' point is that such a limitations bar would make Taiwan a forum where they would be "deprived of all remedies" within the meaning of the test for adequacy. They seem to admit, however, that the Peng decision would not affect their contract claim for enforcement of the scale-up provision.
The defendants argue in their reply brief that the ability of plaintiffs to assert their contract claim is some remedy, and that is enough. In their view, a time bar for some claims "does not mean that Taiwanese law provides no remedies, only that plaintiffs acted too late to take advantage of the remedies that it offers." (Defs.' Reply at 2.) They provide no case authority for the argument.
In further reply, the defendants argue that the limitations rules in Taiwan and in California are the same. The defendants conclude, therefore, that plaintiffs would suffer no disadvantage by having to litigate their claims in Taiwan as opposed to the federal district courts in California. Putting it another way, whatever inadequacy there is in Taiwan is matched in California, so that the factor of "inadequacy" becomes neutral and is no basis for denying defendants' motion to dismiss. Defendants rely on Younis v. American University in Cairo, 30 F.Supp.2d 390 (S.D.N.Y.1998) and our own decision in Abad, 531 F.Supp.2d at 971-72. (Reply at 2-3.)
Defendants' assertion that the California courts would apply Taiwanese limitations law is based on a twofold argument. First, California choice-of-law rules use a "governmental interest" test to select the applicable statute of limitations, as explained in Orr v. Bank of America, 285 F.3d 764, 772 n. 4 (9th Cir.2002). (Defs' Reply at 3.) Defendants argue that Taiwan's interest in this litigation is, for various reasons, far greater than any interest the State of California may have; therefore, Taiwan limitations law applies. (Defs.' Reply at 3.)
The defendants' other rationale for applying Taiwan limitations law is California's "borrowing statute," which provides that when a cause of action has arisen in a foreign country, and the action is barred by limitations in that country, it is also barred in California. (Id.)
Alternatively, defendants argue that even if they were subject to the ordinary two-year California statute of limitations, plaintiffs' negligence claims would have been barred two years after they discovered they had been injured by defendants' concentrates. Defendants contend that the two-year period had expired years before plaintiffs filed these Chang suits in 2004. Thus, plaintiffs' claims are "time-barred under California's two-year statute of limitations just as clearly as under any Taiwanese statute." (Id. at 4.)
In their surreply brief, the plaintiffs provide authority for their contention that a limitations bar makes a forum inadequate. They cite Bank of Credit & Commerce International (Overseas) v. State Bank of Pakistan, 273 F.3d 241 (2d Cir.2001). That case does hold that "an adequate forum does not exist if a statute of limitations bars the bringing of the case in that forum." 273 F.3d at 246. Plaintiff sued in New York state court to collect on a loan it had made to the central bank of Pakistan. The defendant removed the case to the federal district court for the Southern District of New York, which granted the defendant's *862 motion for dismissal on the ground of forum non conveniens. There is no indication in the opinion that there was any New York statute of limitations that caused any problem, and there is no mention of any borrowing statute. There was, however, a substantial question as to whether the action was barred by limitations in Pakistan. The Court of Appeals held that the district court had not made an adequate investigation as to whether the action would be time-barred in Pakistan. The case was reversed and remanded for reconsideration of the trial court's decision that Pakistan was an adequate alternative forum.
In holding that a limitations bar makes a forum inadequate, the Second Circuit cited Mercier v. Sheraton Int'l, Inc., 935 F.2d 419, 426 (1st Cir.1991) and Kontoulas v. A.H. Robins Co., 745 F.2d 312, 316 (4th Cir.1984). Those decisions do support the conclusion reached by the Second Circuit. In Mercier, the plaintiffs brought suit in the District of Massachusetts for an alleged breach of contract to operate a casino in one of the defendant's hotels in Turkey. The district court granted the defendant's motion to dismiss for forum non conveniens, relying on the affidavit of defendants' expert, a Turkish law professor. The Court of Appeals found the affidavit insufficient to establish that Turkey was an adequate alternative forum because, inter alia, the affidavit did not discuss the question of whether plaintiffs' action would be barred by limitations in Turkey. 935 F.2d at 425. The plaintiffs had called to the attention of the Court of Appeals "authority apparently not provided to the district court suggesting that Turkey has a one-year statute of limitations that would bar the claims sought to be pursued in the present action." Id. The case was reversed and remanded for further consideration of the adequacy of the Turkish forum. Id. at 430.
There is no indication in the Mercier opinion that there was any limitations problem in Massachusetts. It was Turkey that presented the problem, with its unusual one-year limitations period.
Kontoulas was a series of product liability actions involving the intrauterine contraceptive device known as the Dalkon Shield. All of the cases were filed in the district of Maryland by non-residents of Maryland. The multiple defendants moved to dismiss the cases on the basis of forum non conveniens, arguing that the plaintiffs' home states or home countries were more convenient fora than the district of Maryland. The district court denied the motion, and the Court of Appeals affirmed. Discussing the motion of the defendant Robins, the Court noted that "Robins has not met its heavy burden of showing for each individual action that no statute of limitations in the plaintiff's home state renders that state ineligible to serve as an alternative forum." 745 F.2d at 316. The opinion contains no indication that there was any limitations problem in the district of Maryland.
In their response to the plaintiffs' surreply, the defendants do not discuss these cases. Neither side has cited a Seventh Circuit case on this question of whether a limitations bar makes a forum inadequate, nor have we found any Seventh Circuit authority. However, we think these decisions from the First, Second and Fourth Circuits could well be followed by the Seventh Circuit when it does consider the matter, and we see no reason to think otherwise. One possible distinction, of course, is that the possible limitations bars in the alternative fora involved in those cases were, as far as we can tell, complete bars of all of the plaintiffs' claims, not just some of them. However, it is certainly relevant that the major claims of the Chang plaintiffs are their negligence *863 claims, seeking compensation for the debilitating infections allegedly caused by the defendants' concentrates, and their fraudulent inducement claims, seeking to set aside the settlement of their negligence claims. Their contract claims under the scale-up provision are puny in comparison to the negligence claims. We conclude, therefore, that the defendants have not carried their burden of showing that Taiwan is an adequate forum.
But this does not mean that the defendants' motion to dismiss must be denied. We return to the defendants' point that the result would be the same in Taiwan and in California as far as limitations is concerned. If that is true, we do not see why plaintiffs' limitations problem in Taiwan entitles them to litigate the identical question in California. If the rules are identical, it does not appear that the plaintiffs would suffer any greater detriment at least as far as limitations is concerned by proceeding in Taiwan instead of California.
Plaintiffs' position, however, is that the California courts will apply different limitations rules than obtain in Taiwan, so in their view, this entire discussion is beside the point. According to plaintiffs, Taiwan is inadequate, and California is adequate. We will proceed, therefore, to an analysis of what limitations law would be applied by the transferor district courts in California.
The federal courts in California sitting in these diversity cases would apply California's "governmental interest test" to determine what limitations law applies to the actions. Orr, 285 F.3d at 772 n. 4. In American Bank of Commerce v. Corondoni, 169 Cal.App.3d 368, 215 Cal.Rptr. 331 (Cal.Ct.App.1985), cited in Orr, the court explained this test:
The court first determines whether the "interest" or policy underlying the law will be significantly furthered by its application to the case at hand. If both California and the foreign state have a strong interest in applying their own law, a true conflict exists. The court then engages in a "comparative impairment" analysis, and applies the law of the state whose interest would be the more impaired if its law were not applied.
Nevertheless, California's general preference is to apply its own law. If the interests of the foreign state will not be significantly furthered by applying its law, the California court must conclude that the conflict is "false" and apply California law.
A "false" conflict between two statutes of limitation occurred in Ashland Chemical Co. v. Provence (1982) 129 Cal. App.3d 790 [181 Cal.Rptr. 340]. There, the parties disagreed over whether California's or Kentucky's statute applied to a guaranty contract. The court noted that the purpose of such statutes is to protect the enacting state's residents and courts from the assertion of stale claims. It concluded that this policy would not be advanced if it were to enforce Kentucky's longer limitations period: "Here California courts and a California resident would be protected by applying California's statute of limitations because California is the forum and the defendant is a California resident. Applying California's statute of limitations would thus advance its underlying policy .... In contrast, Kentucky has no interest in having its statute of limitations applied because here there are no Kentucky defendants and Kentucky is not the forum." (Id., at p. 794 [181 Cal.Rptr. 340].) The court then applied California's statute.
169 Cal.App.3d at 372-73, 215 Cal.Rptr. 331 (emphasis added) (citations and quotations marks omitted). The foregoing quotation endorsing the analysis of Ashland *864 Chemical indicates that the Chang plaintiffs and the defendants Baxter and Bayer misapprehend the nature of California's governmental interest test. They see it as a test of which forum has the greater interest in the underlying subject matter of the action. (Defs.' Resp. to Pls.' Surreply at 5-6; Pls.' Surreply at 15-17.) But where the question is what limitations law to apply, it is the forum's interest in the application of its limitations law that is the focus of the test.[5]
Taiwan has an interest in what limitations periods apply to the claims of its citizens, and the Chang plaintiffs are Taiwanese citizens. Whatever interest California may have in what limitations periods apply to plaintiffs' claims, we think it is a lesser interest than that of Taiwan because neither the plaintiffs nor the defendants are citizens of California. We conclude, therefore, that under the governmental interest test, the California courts would apply the limitations law of Taiwan to the these claims.
All of this presupposes that there is a difference between the limitations period that would apply to plaintiffs' claims under Taiwanese law and that which would apply under California law. Whether that is true or not is a question that requires discussion. Plaintiffs have attached to their surreply as Exhibit 1 a purported English translation of the decision of the Taiwanese High Court affirming the District Court's dismissal of the Peng case, brought on behalf of other HIV-infected users of defendants' concentrates. The negligence claims were dismissed as barred by Taiwan's two-year statute of limitations. (Pls.' Surreply, Ex. 1, at 11.) The High Court pointed out that "the fact of tortious act claimed by the appellants ended in 1985, to say the latest, and the appellants did not prove any fact of tortious act after 1985 ...; yet the appellants did not file for any litigation until May 20, 2004, i.e., 19 years later, it is obvious that the above mentioned statute of limitation for the claim passed already ...." (Id. at 9.) The High Court also held that the plaintiffs' claims for fraud in connection with the Humanitarian Agreement were governed by Taiwan's six-month statute of limitations. (Id. at 12-13.) As we noted earlier, the Taiwan Supreme Court has recently rejected the Peng plaintiffs' appeal from the High Court decision.
The Chang plaintiffs admit in their surreply brief that Peng is "factually similar to the present case" and that "[t]hese Taiwan court decisions [in the Peng case] are consistent with the defendants' assertion that the plaintiffs' claims herein would also be time barred in Taiwan." (Pls.' Surreply at 10.) However, plaintiffs argue that their claims are not time-barred in California because there, unlike Taiwan, the claims are saved by California's "discovery rule." But plaintiffs have two problems here. First, as we have just indicated, we believe the California courts would apply Taiwanese limitations law rather than California limitations law. But secondly, assuming California law with its discovery rule were to be applied to plaintiffs' claims, it is clear that they discovered their claims at least as early as the late 1990s when they began negotiations with the defendants that resulted in the 1998 settlement agreement. The Chang suits were not filed until 2004.
What amounts to "discovery" is explained in Norgart v. Upjohn Co., 21 Cal.4th 383, 87 Cal.Rptr.2d 453, 981 P.2d 79 (1999):

*865 [T]he plaintiff discovers the cause of action when he at least suspects a factual basis, as opposed to a legal theory, for its elements, even if he lacks knowledge thereof-when, simply put, he at least "suspects ... that someone has done something wrong" to him (Jolly v. Eli Lilly & Co., supra, 44 Cal.3d [1103] at p. 1110, 245 Cal.Rptr. 658, 751 P.2d 923 [(1988)]), "wrong" being used, not in any technical sense, but rather in accordance with its "lay understanding" (id. at p. 1110, fn. 7, 245 Cal.Rptr. 658, 751 P.2d 923). He has reason to discover the cause of action when he has reason at least to suspect a factual basis for its elements. (Jolly v. Eli Lilly & Co., supra, 44 Cal.3d at p. 1110, 245 Cal. Rptr. 658, 751 P.2d 923.) He has reason to suspect when he has "`"`notice or information of circumstances to put a reasonable person on inquiry'"'" (id. at pp. 1110-1111, 245 Cal.Rptr. 658, 751 P.2d 923, italics in original); he need not know the "specific `facts' necessary to establish" the cause of action; rather, he may seek to learn such facts through the "process contemplated by pretrial discovery"; but, within the applicable limitations period, he must indeed seek to learn the facts necessary to bring the cause of action in the first place-he "cannot wait for" them "to find" him and "sit on" his "rights"; he "must go find" them himself if he can and "file suit" if he does (id. at p. 1111, 245 Cal.Rptr. 658, 751 P.2d 923).
87 Cal.Rptr.2d 453, 981 P.2d at 88-89 (parallel citations omitted).
The defendants' final point on limitations is that if California law were applied, the California "borrowing statute" would bar plaintiffs' claims. The statute reads as follows:
When a cause of action has arisen in another State, or in a foreign country, and by the laws thereof an action thereon cannot there be maintained against a person by reason of the lapse of time, an action thereon shall not be maintained against him in this State.
Cal.Civ.Proc.Code § 361. Defendants argue that plaintiffs' cause of action "arose" in Taiwan so that the borrowing statute applies. Plaintiffs, on the other hand, argue that their action arose when the defendants committed their tortious acts in California so that the borrowing statute does not apply. (Pls.' Surreply at 19-20.)
The borrowing statute uses the word "arises," which we believe is synonymous with "accrues," a word generally used in statutes of limitation. In Norgart, the Court stated:
Under the statute of limitations, a plaintiff must bring a cause of action within the limitations period applicable thereto after accrual of the cause of action. The general rule for defining the accrual of a cause of action sets the date as the time when, under the substantive law, the wrongful act is done, or the wrongful result occurs, and the consequent liability arises. In other words, it sets the date as the time when the cause of action is complete with all of its elements.
87 Cal.Rptr.2d 453, 981 P.2d at 88 (citations and quotation marks omitted). See also United States Liability Ins. Co. v. Haidinger-Hayes, Inc., 1 Cal.3d 586, 83 Cal.Rptr. 418, 463 P.2d 770 (1970):
Harm is an essential element to negligence actions. Mere threat of future harm, not yet realized, is not enough. (Prosser on Torts (3d) 147.) The cause of action must be matured so that a suit can be based upon it. No action will lie to recover damages if no damages have been sustained. Basic public policy is best served by recognizing that damage is necessary to mature such a cause of action. *866 83 Cal.Rptr. 418, 463 P.2d at 776 (citations omitted). The Haidinger-Hayes opinion cites the third edition of Prosser on Torts at 147. We will quote from the fifth edition of that treatise, which we assume is essentially the same discussion cited by the California Supreme Court in Haidinger-Hayes:
Negligence, as we shall see, is simply one kind of conduct. But a cause of action founded upon negligence, from which liability will follow, requires more than conduct. The traditional formula for the elements necessary to such a cause of action may be stated briefly as follows:
...
3. A reasonably close causal connection between the conduct and the resulting injury. This is what is commonly known as "legal cause," or "proximate cause," and which includes the notion of cause in fact.
4. Actual loss or damage resulting to the interests of another. Since the action for negligence developed chiefly out of the old form of action on the case, it retained the rule of that action, that proof of damage was an essential part of the plaintiff's case. Nominal damages, to vindicate a technical right, cannot be recovered in a negligence action, where no actual loss has occurred. The threat of future harm, not yet realized, is not enough. Negligent conduct in itself is not such an interference with the interests of the world at large that there is any right to complain of it, or to be free from it, except in the case of some individual whose interests have suffered.
It follows that the statute of limitations is generally held not to begin to run against a negligence action until some damage has occurred.
W. Page Keeton et al., Prosser & Keeton on Torts § 30 (5th ed. 1984) (footnote omitted).
The plaintiffs' negligence actions arose in Taiwan because that is where all of their infections occurred. No cause of action for negligence accrued, or arose, prior to the infections. The California borrowing statute therefore applies, and if plaintiffs' actions are time-barred in Taiwan, they are necessarily time-barred in California as well.[6]
The plaintiffs argue that their fraudulent inducement claim arose in California because some of their negligent conduct occurred in California and that conduct is what was concealed from the plaintiffs and the Ministry of Health officials during the negotiations in Taiwan. The argument fails, however, because no cause of action accrued before the alleged misrepresentations were made, and they were made in Taiwan, not California. It is not the conduct concealed, but the concealment that is the gist of the action.
We return to the question of whether it would make a difference to the success of plaintiffs' claims if they were to remain on file in California as opposed to being refiled in Taiwan. We do not see that it would.[7] It appears that the chances of plaintiffs' claims being dismissed as time-barred are equal in Taiwan and California. In other words, Taiwan and California are on a par as far as adequacyor inadequacyis concerned.


*867 PRIVATE INTEREST FACTORS


Inability to Join Third-Party Defendants
The patient profile forms provided to defendants by the plaintiffs indicate that most of them have used various therapies for the treatment of their hemophilia besides the infusion of the defendants' factor concentrates. This suggests to the defendants that these other therapies, such as whole blood plasma and cryoprecipitate provided by other suppliers in Taiwan, may have been the source of plaintiffs' HIV and HCV infections. The plaintiffs would like to have the opportunity of filing third-party actions against these other entities, and that cannot be done in the United States because those entities are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States courts. In addition, the defendants argue that in order to investigate the likelihood of successful third-party claims in Taiwan, they need litigation pending in Taiwan to serve as a vehicle.
This private interest factor was one we found persuasive in the Gullone, Abad and Ashkenazi cases. But in those cases, it was clear that if defendants were sued in the United Kingdom, Argentina or Israel, the procedure in those countries would permit the filing of third-party actions. The parties disagree as to whether this is true of Taiwan. Defendants' expert witness, Professor Yang, states in his sworn declaration that if the Chang plaintiffs filed suit against the defendants in Taiwan, "defendants could, if appropriate, add as participants other local or foreign entities who may be responsible for plaintiffs' alleged injuries." (Yang Decl. ¶ 47.) He cites no authority for his statement. The defendants point out:
If these cases remain in the United States, Defendants will be unable to implead the Taiwanese blood banks that supplied the whole blood, plasma, and cryoprecipitate to these Plaintiffs, and they will be unable to implead any foreign factor concentrate processors. Defendants will also be unable to implead the doctors, hospitals, and other health care providers in Taiwan who administered factor concentrates to the Taiwan Plaintiffs.
(Defs.' Mem. in Supp. of Mot. to Dismiss at 10.)
Defendants go on to argue, citing Professor Yang's Declaration at ¶ 47, that if the plaintiffs were to refile in Taiwan, on the other hand, "they could sue these blood banks, health care providers, and foreign factor concentrate processors in the first instance. If they for some reason did not, Defendants could join these third parties in the litigation. (Id.) Since defendants are discussing their inability to "implead" other parties if the cases remain in the United States, it sounds like that when they say "defendants could join these third parties in the litigation," they really mean that they could implead them in the manner that parties are joined in third-party complaints in the United States. But the argument is misleading. Looking back at what Professor Yang says, it is that "defendants could, if appropriate, add as participants other local or foreign entities who may be responsible for plaintiffs' alleged injuries." (Yang Decl. ¶ 47 (emphasis added).) When his deposition was taken by plaintiffs, Yang stated that Article 65 of the Taiwan Code of Civil Procedure is what he had in mind. This Article reads as follows:
While an action is pending, a party may notify a third party whose legal interests will be adversely affected if such party is defeated. The notified third person may make further notification to another person.
(Yang Dep. at 98-99; Taiwan Code of Civil Procedure, art. 65, Ex. 5 to Defs.' Reply at *868 11.) Asked whether Article 65 "actually call[s] upon the third party to provide compensation," the witness initially answered, "It's possible," and, then when asked whether "it actually say[s] that," he answered, "Yes." (Yang Dep. at 100.) Clearly, it does not actually say that.
We digress a moment to discuss the qualifications of Professor Yang. He received an L.L.B. in 1964 and an L.L.M. degree in 1967 from National Chung Hsin University in Taipei, Taiwan. He studied law at the University of California at Berkeley and received an L.L.M. in 1976 and an S.J.D. in 1979. He served as Dean of the college of law at Fujen Catholic University in Taipei from 1991 to 1996 and was a member of the law school faculty at that university from 1967 to 2002. He was the president of that university from 1996 to 2000. Since 2002, he has been the president of St. John's University in Taipei. (Yang Decl. ¶¶ 2-3.) He has never been involved in a product liability case. As far as we can tell, he has never practiced law. He has taught civil procedure classes in law school. (Yang Dep. at 26-27.)
Professor Yang's carefully worded declaration, where he talks about "participation" of third parties in a lawsuit, and his equivocation in his deposition when asked about Article 65 gives us pause as to whether he can be relied upon for the proposition that third-party practice as we know it in the United States is available in Taiwan. Certainly Professor Yang has never had any personal experience in third-party litigation, or, for that matter, in other any kind of litigation.
The plaintiffs' expert witness is Professor Kuo-Chang Huang, another Taiwanese academic with no litigation experience. He received his L.L.B. from National Taiwan University in 1995, then received an L.L.M. degree in 1999 and a J.S.D. degree in 2002 from Cornell University Law School. He worked for the Taiwan International Patent Law Office from January 1997 until June 1998. After graduating from Cornell University, he began teaching as an assistant professor of law. His present position is adjunct associate professor of law at National Taipei University. (Huang Aff. ¶¶ 1-2.) He has written books and articles on civil procedure and has an impressive list of publications. (Id. ¶ 3.)
In his affidavit, Professor Huang disputes the assertion of Professor Yang that Article 65 of the Taiwan Civil Code of Procedure permits a defendant to file a third-party action seeking indemnity from a third party:
9. Impleader in the Context of Taiwan's Legal System: Dr. Yang asserts, "defendants could, if appropriate, add as participants other local or foreign entities who might be responsible for plaintiffs' alleged injuries". See Yang Declaration ¶ 47. In fact, however, there is no such device as impleader provided in the FRCP 14 in Taiwan Code of Civil Procedure (hereinafter TCCP). To put it more explicitly, a defendant in Taiwan has no means to implead a third party who should bear the final responsibility for the plaintiff's claim against the defendant. While Articles 58 and 65 under TCCP provide the devices of Litigation Intervention and Litigation Notification, respectively, neither of these two devices performs the function of impleader. Nor do they allow the defendants to assert their claims against any responsible third party in the same proceeding. Yang's assertion that defendants may join third parties to the litigation is simply wrong. Yang's citation of Articles 58 and 65 during his deposition is also misinterpretation of the functions of Litigation Intervention and Litigation Notification. See Yang Depo pp. 98-100. I may add that I have advocated in my *869 published articles that Taiwan should adopt the device of impleader. However, no such device has been provided for in TCCP.
(Huang Aff. ¶ 9.) In his deposition, Professor Huang gave an articulate explanation of Article 65 and related articles of the Code, demonstrating that, contrary to defendants' argument, there is no impleader in Taiwan. (Huang Dep. at 97-108.) The procedure allows a defendant to "notify" a third party who might be liable to him should the defendant lose to the plaintiff. A notified party then becomes an "intervenor," who, whether he elects to participate in the proceeding or not, cannot dispute any findings vis-à-vis the plaintiff and the defendant (e.g., the amount of damages for which the defendant is liable to the plaintiff) in any later proceeding brought against the notified party. A notified party is entitled to "participate" in the proceeding between the plaintiff and the defendant and presumably may offer evidence and arguments designed to prevent or minimize any findings against the defendant that may later serve as a basis for an action against the third-party intervenor. Nowhere in the Code is there any provision that would permit the defendant to assert a claim against the intervenor in the initial proceeding between plaintiff and defendant.
The defendants have made no effort to explain why they would benefit from notifying possible third-party intervenors in Taiwan. Should defendants be found liable to plaintiffs, they would remain liable to plaintiffs regardless of whether they might be successful in the laborious process of seeking indemnity against third parties in separate lawsuits. That those third parties might have been "notified" by defendants, and be bound by findings entered by the Taiwan court as between plaintiffs and the defendants, would do nothing to establish any liability of the third parties to the defendants.
We find, therefore, that the private interest factor of inability to join third-party defendants is inapplicable to this case. There is no third-party practice in Taiwan.

Relative Ease of Access to Sources of Proof and Compulsory Process for Witnesses
If the defendants could demonstrate that they are significantly limited in the discovery they can obtain in Taiwan in aid of cases pending in the United States, and that their ability to obtain necessary discovery would be substantially greater if it were sought in connection with a case pending in Taiwan, that would be a private interest factor in favor of dismissal. The defendants say that this is precisely the case. The plaintiffs argue the defendants can obtain all the discovery they need in Taiwan even if the litigation remains in California.
The parties differ as to whether the plaintiffs have provided all of the medical information and medical records requested by the defendants. Defendants use the alleged deficiencies in the plaintiffs' production as an indication of the need to move the cases to Taiwan, where the Taiwanese courts can ensure that defendants receive the information they require. We have examined the parties' contentions about the medical records and patient profile forms and find that the deficiencies are relatively minor. Moreover, they are of a nature that could be remedied without moving the cases to Taiwan.
The situation is otherwise, however, with regard to persons having knowledge of the plaintiffs' medical conditions, namely, the plaintiffs' treating physicians, family members[8] and other persons having knowledge *870 of the plaintiffs' physical limitations, such as employers. The depositions of a reasonable number of these persons would need to be taken in advance of any trial, and we think it would be much easier to take the depositions in connection with litigation filed in Taiwan than it would be to take depositions in Taiwan in aid of cases pending in California. Defendants' expert, Professor Yang, stated in his declaration that Taiwan is not a signatory to the Hague Convention and that a Taiwanese court will rarely compel parties to produce documents or give testimony in support of foreign judicial proceedings. It can only be done in front of a judge, with all of the questioning conducted by the judge or Taiwanese counsel. (Yang Decl. ¶ 35.) Yang offers no basis for his opinion, and when the plaintiffs took his deposition, they did not ask him about this issue.
Plaintiffs expert, Professor Huang, expresses a different view. He is confident that a court in Taiwan would provide evidence for use in a foreign proceeding to the same extent that the foreign court would do the same thing in aid of a Taiwanese proceeding. A foreign court could draft a letter of request (apparently offering to return the favor) and submit it to the Taiwanese court. (Huang Aff. ¶¶ 15-16.) The witness gives no indication in his declaration that he has had any actual experience in this area of the law or that he even knows of any case where this kind of thing has occurred. When the defendants took Professor Huang's deposition, they did not inquire about this subject.
We are satisfied that the taking of a substantial number of depositions in Taiwan in connection with cases pending in California would be a difficult and cumbersome process, at best. If Professor Huang has any actual knowledge of how it would work, it does not appear from his declaration. It would require some kind of reciprocal commitment on the part of a United States court, but what that would be is completely unclear. The defendants obviously have in mind a considerable number of depositions they would like to take (treating physicians, family members, the plaintiffs themselves, as well as other persons having knowledge of plaintiffs' damages), so the reciprocal undertaking of a United States court would apparently be no small matter. Plaintiffs have not explained how that commitment would be obtained, and we are unwilling to speculate about it.
If the cases were pending in Taiwan, pretrial depositions would not be taken as easily as they are in the United States, but the process would be less complicated than the procedure described by the experts for depositions that might be attempted in aid of cases pending in the United States.
The plaintiffs argue that it really is not necessary to depose anyone in Taiwan because all the material witnesses would be willing to come to California to have their depositions taken. Neither side has presented any evidence from which we could conclude that witnesses either are or are not willing to come to the United States to be deposed. But we think the defendants are correct in assuming that Taiwanese treating physicians, for instance, would likely decline an invitation to appear. Similarly, there are employees of the government of Taiwan who would have important information concerning what representations were made by the defendants during the negotiations that led to the Humanitarian Agreement. If plaintiffs should prevail on their fraudulent inducement claim, the settlement could be set aside and plaintiffs would be free to pursue their tort claims (unless, of course, they are time-barred). On the other hand, if the settlements were not obtained by fraud, that could be the end of the case, with the exception of the scale-up claims. *871 As the defendants put it, "[i]f Plaintiffs are bound by their previous settlements, there will not be any tort claims to pursue." (Defs.' Mem. at 3.) According to the Chang complaint, "Taiwan's Department of Health believed that the settlement was appropriate, fair and reasonable, based upon Bayer's representations.... Had Taiwan government officials, in particular, members of the Ministry of Health, known the facts alleged herein, they would not have recommended the `Humanitarian Payment' agreement to Taiwan's hemophiliacs and their families." (Compl. ¶ 160.) We are not informed as to how many members of the Ministry of Health may have been involved in the negotiations with defendants and the internal discussions which led to the decision to recommend the settlement. There could be quite a few, and we think it unlikely that they would come to California to be deposed.
Plaintiffs' discovery in this case has been fairly simple compared with what the defendants need to do. The plaintiffs' discovery concerns the alleged liability of the defendants, and it has all been done in the MDL, in large part by counsel other than counsel representing the Taiwanese plaintiffs. The wealth of materials accumulated during the years of MDL discovery is available to plaintiffs for the taking. The defendants, on the other hand, are interested in discovery concerning causation and damages. The witnesses having knowledge of these matters are, for the most part, residents of Taiwan. Our conclusion is that Taiwan is the place that offers relative ease of access to sources of proof and compulsory process for witnesses, as far as the discovery needs of the defendants are concerned. That the plaintiffs' discovery needs have been satisfied in the United States is immaterial to this private interest factor, which clearly weighs in favor of dismissal.

Other Practical Problems
The practical problem that arises if the Chang cases should be refiled in Taiwan is the cost of translation. We find it surprising that all documentary evidence would have to be translated into Chinese if the case were tried in Taiwan, even if the judge were English-speaking. But both of the parties' experts, Professors Yang and Huang, stated in their depositions that translation into Chinese would be mandatory. (Yang Dep. at 35; Huang Dep. at 152.)
We turn, then, to the question of whether the plaintiffs' cost of translating their English-language evidence into Chinese would substantially exceed the cost that defendants will have to bear in California if they translate evidence favorable to them from Chinese into English for the benefit of a California court.
To say that plaintiffs paint a gloomy picture would be something of an understatement. They estimate that 83,600 pages would have to be translated from English into Chinese for a trial in Taiwan. Their translator estimates that "it would take one translator 25 years (or 25 translators one year) at a cost of over 4 million dollars to translate this evidence into Chinese." (Plfs.' Mem. in Opp'n at 20.) Defendants assure us, on the other hand, that "if these cases are litigated in Taiwan, the volume of documents that must be translated would be very limited.... Plaintiffs' counsel, who possesses an organized database of discovery documents, can easily identify the relatively small number of documents actually important to the Taiwan Plaintiffs' cases that would need to be translated." (Defs.' Mem. at 13.)
We think the cost of translation for plaintiffs would be substantial and far in excess of any translation costs the defendants would have to bear if the cases remain in California. Should the cases be *872 tried, it is plaintiffs, after all, who have the burden of proving their medical claims. This would require them to bear the major cost of translating the relevant medical evidence from Chinese into English for use in the California courts. They would also have to bear at least a portion of the translation cost for their trial testimony. But we believe plaintiffs' total translation costs in California would still be far less than the cost of translating their English-language liability evidence from the MDL into Chinese for use in Taiwan.[9]
We find the cost of translation to be a private interest factor weighing against dismissal.

PUBLIC INTEREST FACTORS

The Local Interest in Having this Controversy Decided in Taiwan
The defendants argue that Taiwan's interest in deciding the controversy is far greater than the interest of California. They cite the fact that plaintiffs' medical care is being provided in Taiwan, to a large extent at public expense, and that the problems concerning the plaintiffs' HIV and HCV infections will endure long into the future. Moreover, defendants argue that Taiwan would have an interest in finding out whether, as plaintiffs allege, its Ministry of Health relied on misrepresentations by defendants in recommending that the plaintiffs settle their claims. These considerations are akin to what the Court of Appeals found to be a significant governmental interest of the United Kingdom in the Gullone case. See In re Factor VIII, 484 F.3d at 959.
Plaintiffs argue that California has the greater interest in the controversy because the defendants committed many of their tortious acts there. We think Taiwan has the greater interest. For one thing, its interest is current. The plaintiffs' medical care, the cost of it, and all of the problems associated with these viral infections will be a continuing concern of the Taiwanese government. The possibility that its Ministry of Health was misled in the manner alleged is of obvious concern.
If the defendants are guilty of the negligent acts allegedly committed in California, the acts were committed many years ago. There is no indication that the defendants are presently engaged in any negligent or otherwise tortious conduct that should concern the citizens of California. Litigation of these claims of alleged past misconduct might arguably have some deterrent value for the future, but that prospect does not give California an interest in this litigation that equals that of Taiwan. We find, therefore, that this public interest factor favors dismissal.


*873 Avoiding Unnecessary Problems in Conflicts of Law or Application of Foreign Law

The defendants argue that the transferor courts in California would, upon remand of these cases, have to grapple with complicated problems of California conflicts law and Taiwanese substantive law. This could be avoided if the cases were simply dismissed and refiled in Taiwan. (Defs.' Mem. at 17-19.)
We are unpersuaded. The defendants' argument is couched in general terms, with no specific reference to any particularly difficult legal problem or, for that matter, any legal problem at all. Conflicts of law issues are a staple for federal district judges, and, as far as the Taiwanese substantive law is concerned, it appears from the declarations of Professors Yang and Huang that the law of negligence, fraud and contracts in Taiwan is substantially similar to the law in the United States.
This factor does not apply in this case.

Expeditious Resolution of Litigation
The defendants suggest that the median time for filing to disposition in the Central and Northern Districts of California is about two years, whereas, according to Professor Yang, if the plaintiffs "were to re-file their cases in Taiwan and pursue their cases diligently, they could receive a final judgment from the trial court and the Court of Appeals within one year." (Defs.' Mem. at 19.)
At this juncture, it is clear that if these cases were to be tried there is much discovery that must be done by the defendants, mostly in Taiwan. See supra at 870-71. We doubt that all of that discovery could be completed in one year and perhaps not even in two years, whether the cases are pending in California or Taiwan. Once the discovery is done, the 37 Chang claims certainly could not be handled in one trial. Perhaps more than one claim could be joined in a single trial, but in no event could a multiplicity of separate trials be avoided. How long it would take in either forum to complete the trials of these 37 claims is a question as to which "filing to disposition" statistics are almost totally irrelevant. Common experience tells us that jury trials in California would take much longer than bench trials anywhere, including Taiwan, but any attempt to assess how long it might take in either California or Taiwan to complete trials (and probably appeals as well) would be nothing but speculation.
We can only conclude that this public interest factor is neutral.

Burdening Citizens in an Unrelated Forum with Jury Duty
Defendants contend that it would be inappropriate to impose upon the citizens of California the duty of sitting for multiple-week trials of these cases that involve no particular interest of California and require translation of much of the evidence from Chinese into English. It would be more appropriate, say the defendants, to refile the cases in Taiwan, where they would be heard expeditiously by judges, without juries.
This argument depends upon the dubious assumption that these claims actually will be tried somewhere, either in California or Taiwan. As we discussed in Abad, 531 F.Supp.2d at 980-81, involving the Argentine plaintiffs, there are many events that could intervene, wherever the cases are pendingsettlement, for instance that would render trials unnecessary. The prospect that any juror will have to sit on one of these cases is so uncertain that we regard this factor as neutral.

STRIKING THE BALANCE
In favor of granting the defendants' motion to dismiss, then, we have the private *874 interest factor of the relative ease of access to sources of proof and compulsory process for witnesses and the public interest factor of Taiwan's interest in having the controversy decided in Taiwan.
Weighing against dismissal is only the private interest factor of plaintiffs' cost of translation from English to Chinese if the cases were refiled in Taiwan.
We believe the two factors favoring dismissal substantially outweigh the disadvantage to plaintiffs in having to incur the increased cost of translation, especially since, as we indicated supra at 872 n. 9, some portion of the increased cost can be mitigated.
Therefore, were it not for a practical consideration we will discuss in the next section of this opinion, we would grant the motion to dismiss.

A Final Practical Consideration
If we were to grant the motion to dismiss, and the cases were to be refiled in Taiwan, what is the first thing that would happen? The answer is clear. The defendants would move to dismiss on the basis of limitations, citing the Peng case. The Taiwanese court would rule on the motion before there was any need for defendants to do the discovery that can be done more easily in Taiwan than in California.
The plaintiffs have virtually conceded that their negligence and fraud claims are time-barred in Taiwan. They rely on their view that their claims would survive under California limitations law. But, as we have seen, the California courts, under the governmental interest approach, will apply the same Taiwanese limitations law that the Taiwanese court would apply. The result, whatever it is, should be the same in California as it would be in Taiwan.
We believe it would be pointless, and that it would impose a needless expense upon the plaintiffs, for us to grant the motion to dismiss, forcing them to refile in Taiwan.[10] The cases should remain in California, where defendants can present the same motion they would present in Taiwan. Should the California courts, or either of them, decide that the claims are not time-barred, the California court could then consider whether a forum non conveniens dismissal would be appropriate. Our denial of defendants' motion at this time is, of course, without prejudice to their renewing it in California should it become appropriate to do so.

CONCLUSION
The motion of the defendants to dismiss the plaintiffs from Taiwan on grounds of forum non conveniens is denied.
It appears that a suggestion to the Judicial Panel on Multidistrict Litigation Panel that these cases be remanded to the transferor courts in California would now be appropriate. If either side has an objection to such a suggestion, the objection should be submitted by January 23, 2009.
NOTES
[1]  Another difference is that these plaintiffs are not represented by the court-appointed lead counsel for the MDL plaintiffs, but instead are represented by separate counsel.
[2]  We have used similar shorthand to refer to the other cases on which we have ruled: the United Kingdom case is Gullone; the Argentina case is Abad; and the Israel case is Ashkenazi.
[3]  The Chang complaint appears to assert a hybrid claim in regard to the Humanitarian Agreement, seeking to rescind it for fraud as far as their release of their tort claims is concerned but asking for specific performance of defendants' agreement to pay additional amounts of money to match payments made to other persons.
[4]  The brief was filed by plaintiffs on November 24, 2008 in response to the leave we granted them in our order of October 30, 2008 to file a "surreply" on the limitations issue. The brief bears the confusing title "Plaintiffs' Opposition to Defendants' Motion Forum Non Conveniens." In their response to the brief, defendants refer to it as Plaintiffs' Surreply, and we shall do the same.
[5]  Comparative governmental interest in the subject matter of the case is a public interest factor entitled to consideration in its own right, of course, and we do that infra at 872.
[6]  In the event the California courts should apply the governmental interest test to reach a different result than we did and find that California rather than Taiwanese limitations law applies to the case, it should be noted that California limitations law would include the California borrowing statute.
[7]  We are not, of course, holding that the plaintiffs' claims are time-barred either in Taiwan or in California. What we are addressing is the adequacy of Taiwan as a forum for plaintiffs' claims. Our best judgment as to what might be the outcome concerning limitations is a necessary part of the analysis.
[8]  The testimony of family members might be important to establish the dates of infection for plaintiffs who were infected with HIV or HCV as minors.
[9]  Plaintiffs apparently have given no thought to the possibility that the need for translation could be greatly reduced. For instance, surely it would not be necessary to translate the full text of every document. Often only a portion of a document is relevant. In fact, in modern trials it is customary to highlight the relevant portions for the jury, enabling them to ignore the parts that are irrelevant. Not every page of a deposition would have to be translated. The MDL depositions were not taken for evidence, but for discovery, and the portions valuable as evidence are often only a small fraction of the total transcript. As for the defendants' business records, such as the "40,000 pages of AHF lot records for product shipped to Taiwan" (Pls.' Mem. in Opp'n at 20), it should not be necessary to translate all of the English language contained on 40,000 pages. Instead, it should be possible to prepare charts showing the relevant numbers, as is often done in this country pursuant to Federal Rule of Evidence 1006. In short, plaintiffs make the situation out to be much worse than it really has to be, but notwithstanding the exaggeration, their translation costs in Taiwan would be formidable.
[10]  Here, the defendants' point about the difficulty of trying to apply unfamiliar foreign law, supra at 873, cuts against them. The threshold legal question in this case is whether plaintiffs' claims are time-barred under the limitations law of California. It can hardly be doubted that the federal district courts in California are more familiar with California limitations law than would be the courts of Taiwan.
