                                                                              FILED
                                                                  United States Court of Appeals
                                      PUBLISH                             Tenth Circuit

                     UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS                      March 16, 2016

                                                                      Elisabeth A. Shumaker
                                  TENTH CIRCUIT                           Clerk of Court



 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

       Plaintiff - Appellee,

 v.                                                        No. 14-8071

 MARVIN IVERSON,

       Defendant - Appellant.


           APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                   FOR THE DISTRICT OF WYOMING
                     (D.C. No. 1:12-CR-00245-ABJ-1)


Grant Russell Smith, Research and Writing Specialist, Cheyenne, Wyoming (Virginia L.
Grady, Federal Public Defender, Districts of Colorado and Wyoming, Jim Barrett,
Assistant Federal Public Defender, Cheyenne, Wyoming, with him on the briefs), for
Defendant - Appellant.

Jason M. Conder, Assistant United States Attorney (Christopher A. Crofts, United States
Attorney, District of Wyoming, Stephanie I. Sprecher and David A. Kubichek, Assistant
United States Attorneys, on the brief), District of Wyoming, Casper, Wyoming, for
Plaintiff – Appellee.


Before HARTZ, O’BRIEN, and PHILLIPS, Circuit Judges.


HARTZ, Circuit Judge.
       Defendant Marvin Iverson was convicted after a jury trial of engaging in a scheme

to defraud JPMorgan Chase and Big Horn Federal Savings. See 18 U.S.C. § 1344. The

statute requires that the victims be “financial institutions.” Id. To establish that element

of the offense, the government offered the testimony of an FBI agent to try to prove that

JPMorgan and Big Horn were insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation

(FDIC). See id. § 20(1) (defining financial institution to include “an insured depository

institution (as defined in [12 U.S.C. § 1813(c)(2)])”); 12 U.S.C. § 1813(c)(2) (“The term

‘insured depository institution’ means any bank or savings association the deposits of

which are insured by the [FDIC] pursuant to this chapter.”).

       On appeal Defendant argues that the agent’s testimony was inadmissible hearsay

and violated the best-evidence rule. He also argues that even if the evidence was

admissible, it was insufficient to prove that JPMorgan and Big Horn had FDIC insurance

at the time of the offense. Despite the government’s concession to the contrary, we hold

that the agent’s testimony was not inadmissible hearsay; it was either not hearsay or fell

within a hearsay exception. As for the best-evidence rule, Defendant did not raise the

issue below and he has not shown plain error. Finally, because there was sufficient

evidence that JPMorgan had FDIC insurance at the time of the offense, we reject

Defendant’s sufficiency-of-the-evidence challenge.

I.     BACKGROUND

       Defendant has been a member of the “sovereign citizens” group called “Wyoming

Free State.” Among other practices, such groups instruct their members on various debt-

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elimination schemes. The scheme here was called the electronic-funds-transfers (EFT)

scheme. A member writes a check on a closed account to pay off a debt, with the hope

that an unaware financial institution will release title or a lien before the check bounces.

       Defendant used the EFT scheme to try to eliminate debts owed to JPMorgan and

Big Horn. First, on June 22, 2012, using a closed checking account with First Interstate

Bank, Defendant wrote Big Horn two checks totaling over $27,000 to pay off a vehicle

loan and a mortgage. On the back of each check was written:

       Not for deposit
       EFT ONLY
       For discharge of debt
       Marvin Leslie Iverson
       Authorized representative
       Without Recourse

R., Vol. 2 at 28 (internal quotation marks omitted). Despite this notation, the checks

were processed by Big Horn, and the vehicle lien and mortgage were released. After

being notified that the checks were drawn on a closed account, the bank demanded that

Defendant pay the debt. Defendant refused until he was arrested for this offense.

Second, on August 18, 2012, Defendant wrote a check from his closed First Interstate

account to JPMorgan in the amount of $369,300 to pay off his daughter’s mortgage. The

check had the same EFT notation as before. JPMorgan did not process the check or

release the mortgage.

       Defendant was charged with scheming to defraud the financial institutions in a

one-count indictment filed in the United States District Court for the District of


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Wyoming. The case went to trial on July 28, 2014. Defendant represented himself with

the aid of standby counsel.

      Defendant’s issues on appeal focus on the prosecutor’s afterthought questioning of

FBI Special Agent Kent Smith:

      [PROSECUTOR]: I don’t have any other questions. Thank you.
      [DEFENDANT]: No questions.
      THE COURT: You may step down.
      [PROSECUTOR]: Your Honor, I neglected to ask one question.
      THE COURT: Very well.
      ....
      Q. Agent, did you do any research to determine whether or not JPMorgan
      Chase and Black—or Big Horn Federal Savings were FDIC insured or
      federally insured institutions?
      A. Yes, and both First Interstate—you said Big Horn?
      Q. Big Horn.
      A. Yes, Big Horn Federal Savings is. I received the F—
      [DEFENDANT]: Objection. Foundation.
      THE COURT: Sustained.
      ....
      Q. What research did you do?
      A. Different for different banks. On JPMorgan Chase I pulled up the FDIC
      website and found their information and their certificate number. For Big
      Horn Federal Savings Bank, having been to that actual bank, I requested a
      copy of their FDIC certificate which included their number.
      Q. All right. I ask again. Can you—when you, when you looked at the
      website—
      [DEFENDANT]: Objection.
      [Standby Defense Counsel]: Hearsay.
      ....
      Q. —is that a normal course of business to check to see if a bank is FDIC
      insured—
      [DEFENDANT]: Hearsay.
      ....
      Q. —in your normal course of business as an FBI agent?
      A. To determine if they’re FDIC insured?
      Q. Yes.
      A. Yes, it is.

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       Q. And do you rely on those records to be accurate to determine if a bank
       is FDIC insured?
       A. Yes, we do.
       Q. And I’d ask again. Do you know if the banks of Big Horn Federal
       Savings and—
       [DEFENDANT]: Objection.
       ....
       Q. —JPMorgan Chase are federally insured?
       [DEFENDANT]: Hearsay again.
       THE COURT: Overruled.
       A. Yes, in my research both Big Horn Federal Savings Bank and
       JPMorgan Chase bank are federally insured.

R., Vol. 3 at 84–86.

II.    DISCUSSION

       A.     Admissibility of the Evidence

       Defendant raises two challenges to the admissibility of the testimony that the

victim institutions were FDIC insured. He claims (1) that Agent Smith’s testimony about

FDIC insurance coverage was hearsay and (2) the testimony violated the best-evidence

rule, which required introduction into evidence of the FDIC certificates of coverage.

Both the hearsay rule and the best-evidence rule are exceptions to the general rule that a

witness can testify to what the witness saw or heard. The hearsay rule ordinarily

excludes testimony about what someone wrote or said out of court when “offer[ed] in

evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted in the statement.” Fed. R. Evid. 801(c).

And the best-evidence rule ordinarily excludes testimony about what appeared in a

document when offered to prove “its content.” Fed. R. Evid. 1002.

       We review a district court’s evidentiary decisions for abuse of discretion. See

United States v. Trujillo, 136 F.3d 1388, 1395 (10th Cir. 1998). The government
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confesses error on Defendant’s hearsay issues, but we are not bound by this concession.

See United States v. Resendiz-Patino, 420 F.3d 1177, 1182–83 (10th Cir. 2005). We first

address hearsay and then the best-evidence rule.

              1.      Hearsay

       Agent Smith’s testimony about Big Horn’s FDIC-insured status was based solely

upon his review of the bank’s FDIC certificate. In essence he was reporting on what the

certificate said. His testimony about JPMorgan was based on his review of the FDIC

website. There are two possible assertions in this testimony. One is Agent Smith’s

assertion that he is accurately reporting what he saw concerning the certificate and the

website. The other is what the certificate and website said was true—that the banks were

insured by the FDIC. The first assertion presents no hearsay problem because the

assertion is made by the witness at trial. See Fed. R. Evid. 801(c)(1) (hearsay is limited

to “a statement that . . . the declarant does not make while testifying at the current trial or

hearing”). Agent Smith could be carefully cross-examined about the accuracy of his

perception and memory of what he saw. (The probability of witness error in reporting the

content of a document is, however, a concern of the best-evidence rule, which we address

in the next section.)1 Thus, the only hearsay issues are whether the statements in the



1
 The dissent argues that the essential hearsay problem at trial was the prosecution’s
failure to bring the certificate (or printout of the FDIC website) to the courtroom. But if
that is a hearsay problem, rather than a best-evidence problem, what would happen if a
fire destroyed the certificate or a power failure obliterated the website? Under the best-
evidence rule, a witness could then testify about the contents of the lost records. See Fed.
                                                                                Continued . . .
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certificate and on the website were hearsay; and if so, did they come within an exception

to the hearsay rule. We begin with the Big Horn testimony.

                      a. Big Horn’s FDIC Certificate

       Although this circuit has not yet considered a hearsay challenge to the admission

into evidence of the content of an FDIC insurance certificate, several of our sister circuits

have. Each has rejected the hearsay objection, albeit for differing reasons. The First

Circuit affirmed the admission of an FDIC certificate to prove insurance coverage under

Fed. R. Evid. 803(6), the business-records exception. See United States v. Albert, 773

F.2d 386, 388–89 (1st Cir. 1985). The Sixth Circuit has likewise held that an FDIC

certificate qualifies as a business record, see United States v. Riley, 435 F.2d 725, 726

(6th Cir. 1970), but it also has held one admissible as a public record under Fed. R. Evid.

803(8), see United States v. Arthur, 822 F.2d 60 at *3 (6th Cir. 1987) (unpublished). And

the Ninth Circuit has held that the certificate is not hearsay because it is a “verbal act.”

See United States v. Bellucci, 995 F.2d 157, 160–61 (9th Cir. 1993). The parties have not

cited nor have we found any case holding that FDIC certificates are inadmissible hearsay.

For the following reasons, we reject Defendant’s contention that they are.

       The Ninth Circuit may well be correct that the assertion of insurance coverage in

an FDIC certificate is not hearsay. The rule against hearsay does not apply to “verbal

acts . . . in which the statement itself affects the legal rights of the parties or is a

R. Evid. 1004(a). Would the dissent nevertheless bar the testimony as hearsay? (The
dissent agrees that Defendant has forfeited the best-evidence argument.)


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circumstance bearing on conduct affecting their rights.” Fed. R. Evid. 801 advisory

committee’s note to 1972 proposed rules, subdivision (c) (internal quotation marks

omitted); see id. (“If the significance of an offered statement lies solely in the fact that it

was made, no issue is raised as to the truth of anything asserted, and the statement is not

hearsay.”). The issue is whether evidence that the statement was made is in itself

relevant to a material issue in the case. For example, the statement may be the predicate

for a defamation claim; if so, the statement is not being offered for its truth (it is

actionable because it is false) and is not hearsay. Or a promise to do something may be

offered into evidence to prove the existence of a contract even if the promisor was

insincere in making the promise. The promise is not offered into evidence to prove the

“truth” of the promisor’s statement. The promise itself has independent legal

significance, so there is no hearsay issue. Cf. Creaghe v. Iowa Home Mut. Cas. Co., 323

F.2d 981, 984 (10th Cir. 1963) (“The hearsay rule does not exclude relevant testimony as

to what the contracting parties said with respect to the making or the terms of an oral

agreement. The presence or absence of such words and statements of themselves are part

of the issues in the case.”). In both circumstances, the evidence of the statement is not

being used to prove the truth of some assertion but “merely to show that it was actually

made.” 5 Jack B. Weinstein & Margaret A. Berger, Weinstein’s Federal Evidence

§ 801.11[3] (Mark S. Brodin ed., 2d ed. 2015). Apparently on that basis the Ninth Circuit

wrote, “Like a written contract that memorializes the fact of a legal agreement, the

[FDIC] certificate memorializes the fact of the legal relationship of insurer and insured.”

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Bellucci, 995 F.2d at 161. If the certificate has independent legal significance—say, a

bank’s deposits are insured if and only if the certificate is issued (regardless of whether

the premium was paid or the coverage was approved by the proper official)—then we

could comfortably conclude that the statement of coverage on the certificate is not

hearsay. The statement would not be evidence of coverage; it would be what effectuates

coverage.

       But we need not resolve the legal effect of the certificate itself and whether its

content has independent legal significance. Even if the FDIC certificate is merely

evidence of—that is, an assertion of—coverage, it easily qualifies as a public record

under Fed. R. Evid. 803(8), because it officially reports that the FDIC has initiated

coverage. See Arthur, 822 F.2d 60 at *3. Under the Rule 803(8) exception to the hearsay

rule, “[a] record or statement of a public office,” is admissible if “it sets out . . . the

office’s activities . . . and . . . the opponent does not show that the source of information

or other circumstances indicate a lack of trustworthiness.” There is no question that the

certificate is a record or statement of the FDIC or that the FDIC is a public office. And

the certificate clearly sets out the FDIC’s action—providing insurance to depositors of

the institution named in the certificate. The certificate therefore satisfies Rule 803(8).

See Christopher Phelps & Assocs., LLC v. Galloway, 492 F.3d 532, 542 (4th Cir. 2007)

(county tax assessment, offered to prove home value, was properly admitted under

Rule 803(8)); Standard Havens Prods., Inc. v. Gencor Indus., Inc., 953 F.2d 1360, 1366,

1371–72 (Fed. Cir. 1991) (certificate of correction issued by United States Patent &

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Trademark Office admissible under Rule 803(8)); United States v. Kuzmenko, No. 2:13-

cr-00062 JAM, 2014 WL 1334003, at *3 (E.D. Cal. April 3, 2014) (driver’s license).

Foundation testimony is usually unnecessary for admissibility under Rule 803(8). See 5

Jack B. Weinstein & Margaret A. Berger, Weinstein’s Federal Evidence § 803.10[2]

(Mark S. Brodin ed., 2d ed. 2015) (“Since the assurances of accuracy are generally

greater for public records than for regular business records, the proponent is usually not

required to establish their admissibility through foundation testimony.”).

                     b.      The FDIC Website

       Agent Smith’s testimony regarding JPMorgan’s insurance status was based solely

on his review of the FDIC website. He testified that he looked up JPMorgan on the

website, “found their information and their certificate number,” and determined that it

“[is] federally insured,” R., Vol. 3 at 85. What the website reports amounts to an

assertion that JPMorgan has an FDIC certificate with a particular certificate number and

that the insurance remains active. The government was attempting to prove the truth of

that assertion. There is no argument that the website itself affects an institution’s legal

rights (as perhaps may be true of a certificate), so we agree with Defendant that Agent

Smith’s testimony offered the website content for its truth and was hearsay.

       Again, however, the public-records exception applies. The website information is

“a record or statement of [the FDIC].” Fed. R. Evid. 803(8). And the website reports

which banks are insured by the FDIC, thereby “set[ting] out . . . the office’s activities”

related to deposit insurance. Id. Several courts have ruled that government websites fall

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within the exception for public records. See, e.g., Williams v. Long, 585 F. Supp. 2d 679,

689–91 (D. Md. 2008) (judicial record of pending lawsuits against defendant); Chapman

v. S.F. Newspaper Agency, No. C 01-02305 CRB, 2002 WL 31119944, at *2 (N.D. Cal.

Sept. 20, 2002) (printout of delivery confirmation from United States Postal Service

“Track & Confirm” webpage); EEOC v. E.I. DuPont de Nemours & Co., No. CIV.A. 03-

1605, 2004 WL 2347559, at *1 (E.D. La. Oct. 18, 2004) (“table of information compiled

by the United States Census Bureau” printed from Census Bureau website). Government

records, statements, and reports are continually being placed on the internet to allow easy

access to the general public. Their electronic format does not, by itself, prevent them

from qualifying as public records. See Fed. R. Evid. 101(b)(6) (“a reference to any kind

of written material or any other medium includes electronically stored information”);

Fed. R. Evid. 101(d) (the term original includes electronically stored information in any

form “readable by sight”). And courts have considered the FDIC website so reliable that

they have taken judicial notice of information on it. See, e.g., Laborers’ Pension Fund v.

Blackmore Sewer Const., Inc., 298 F.3d 600, 607 (7th Cir. 2002) (bank is branch office of

another bank); FAS Capital, LLC v. Carr, 7 F. Supp. 3d 1259, 1267 (N.D. Ga. 2014)

(FDIC was receiver of closed bank); Curcio v. Wachovia Mortg. Corp., No. 09-CV-1498-

IEG (NLS), 2009 WL 3320499, at *4 (S.D. Cal. Oct. 14, 2009) (bank was regulated by

Office of Thrift Supervision on date of transaction). We hold that because Agent Smith’s

testimony about the FDIC certificates was either not hearsay or fell within the public-

records exception and because his testimony about the FDIC website fell within the

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public-records exception, the district court did not abuse its discretion in overruling

Defendant’s hearsay objections.

         We recognize that the government did not argue that Agent Smith’s testimony

about FDIC insurance coverage was admissible under the Rule 803(8) exception to the

hearsay rule. But we see no unfairness to Defendant in affirming the district court’s

decision to overrule Defendant’s hearsay objection on that ground. The legal issue is

clear. And it is not dependent on any disputable factual foundation. (The dissent objects

that Agent Smith did not bring to court the documents he reported about—the Big Horn

FDIC certificate and, apparently, a printout from the FDIC website content on JPMorgan.

But Defendant did not object to Smith’s testimony on that ground. And the trial court

could properly credit his testimony about what he saw. Further, we can take judicial

notice of the facts necessary to establish the foundation for the admission of the

testimony. See Fed. R. Evid. 104(a) (preliminary questions of admissibility of evidence

are decided by court).)

         Therefore, our rejection of the hearsay argument comes within our general rule

that we may affirm on an unpreserved ground if doing so is fair to appellant. See United

States v. Harrison, 296 F.3d 994, 1001 (10th Cir. 2002). We cannot express the point

better than Judge Brorby did in Hernandez v. Starbuck, 69 F.3d 1089, 1093–94 (10th Cir.

1995):

         [The Appellant’s] argument misconceives the roles played by the appellant, the
         appellee, and the court of appeals when a district court judgment is appealed.
         While the appellant challenges the district court’s ruling, the appellee is only
         interested in maintaining the status quo, i.e., an affirmance. Because the appellant
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       comes to the court of appeals as the challenger, he bears the burden of
       demonstrating the alleged error and the precise relief sought. A court of appeals is
       not required to manufacture an appellant’s argument on appeal when it has failed
       in its burden to draw our attention to the error below. In the event of such a
       failure, the court will ordinarily consider the appellant’s point waived. Appellees
       bear no such burden. Though Fed.R.App.P. 28(b) requires the appellee’s brief to
       contain arguments addressing the issues raised by the appellant, we have never
       characterized the appellee’s obligation in terms of a categorical imperative. The
       distinction between appellant’s and appellees’ obligations under Rule 28 grows
       out of the court of appeals’ freedom to affirm a district court decision on any
       grounds for which there is a record sufficient to permit conclusions of law, even
       grounds not relied upon by the district court. This broad power to affirm extends
       beyond the counter-arguments raised by the appellee; it includes any ground for
       which there is record to support conclusions of law. Once the appellant alleges
       the district court erred, we have a duty to assess the validity of the appellant’s
       allegations. This duty arises in part out of our relationship with the district court,
       and we may not neglect it simply because an appellee fails to defend adequately
       the district court's decision. To do so would open the door to a perverse
       jurisprudence by which properly decided district court decisions could be
       reversed.

(brackets, citations, footnote, and internal quotation marks omitted) (emphasis added).

We also repeat his caution to appellees: “We admonish appellees not to take our language

as a license not to address appellant’s arguments. The appellee’s brief plays a vital

function in informing the court of the weaknesses in the appellant’s arguments. By

failing to address a ground for relief raised by the appellant, the appellee greatly increases

the chances the court of appeals will be persuaded by the appellant’s position.” Id. at

1094 n.3.

              2.     Best-Evidence Rule

       Defendant also challenges the introduction of Agent Smith’s testimony as a

violation of the best-evidence rule. Because Defendant failed to raise this objection in

the district court, we review only for plain error. See United States v. Frost, 684 F.3d
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963, 971 (10th Cir. 2012). We will grant relief under the plain-error standard only if (1)

the district court committed an error, (2) the error is clear at the time of the appeal, (3) the

error “affects substantial rights,” and (4) the error “seriously affects the fairness,

integrity, or public reputation of judicial proceedings.” Id. (internal quotation marks

omitted). An error is clear “when it is contrary to well-settled law.” United States v.

Whitney, 229 F.3d 1296, 1309 (10th Cir. 2000). It affects substantial rights only “when it

is prejudicial, meaning that there is a reasonable probability that, but for the error

claimed, the result of the proceeding would have been different.” United States v.

Algarate-Valencia, 550 F.3d 1238, 1242 (10th Cir. 2008) (internal quotation marks

omitted).

       Fed. R. Evid. 1002 provides that “[a]n original writing, recording, or photograph is

required in order to prove its content unless these rules or a federal statute provides

otherwise.” See Allen v. W. H. O. Alfalfa Milling Co., 272 F.2d 98, 99 (10th Cir. 1959)

(“[C]ourts exclude testimony when the knowledge from which the witness testifies is

derived from the writing.”). Defendant argues that Agent Smith’s testimony plainly

violated this rule because “[t]he original writings at issue here are the FDIC certificates,”

and therefore “[s]ubstituting Agent Smith’s testimony for the actual certificates” was not

permissible absent an exception to the best-evidence rule. Aplt. Br. at 15.

       We need not decide if the testimony violated the best-evidence rule, because even

if there was error, it was not clear. The best-evidence rule does not apply to testimony

relating to the existence of a document, as opposed to its contents. See Fed. R. Evid.

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1002 (an original is required “to prove its content” (emphasis added)). For example, in

United States v. Beebe, 467 F.2d 222, 225 (10th Cir. 1972), we held that the best-

evidence rule did not prevent witnesses from testifying “that their businesses were

‘licensed dealers’ in firearms rather than producing documents evidencing their actual

licensing.” We noted that because the government “was not attempting to establish the

terms of [the licenses,] . . . no useful reason would have been served by their production.”

Id. After all, the purpose of the best-evidence rule is to protect against error in reporting

details about a document. As one treatise puts it: “The Best Evidence doctrine also does

not apply to evidence of written transactions where the purpose is to prove simply the

‘bottom line,’ meaning the net effect or overall nature of the transaction, or the fact that

such a transaction occurred, without reference to details or specifics.” 5 Christopher B.

Mueller & Laird C. Kirkpatrick, Federal Evidence § 10:19 at 717–19 (4th ed. 2013).

       At least one circuit has applied this reasoning to testimony about FDIC-insured

status. In United States v. Sliker, 751 F.2d 477, 483 (2d Cir. 1984), the Second Circuit

affirmed the admission of testimony “that the bank’s deposits ‘are’ FDIC insured” against

the objection “that the best evidence rule required the Government to produce a certified

copy of the insurance policy itself.” The court ruled that the evidence should not be

excluded under Fed. R. Evid. 1002 because “the proof required was proof of the fact of

insurance and not of the contents of a writing.” Sliker, 751 F.2d at 483. This decision

also raises doubt that the best-evidence rule required exclusion of Agent Smith’s

testimony.

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       Because the admission of similar testimony has been affirmed against a best-

evidence- rule objection in our sister circuit and follows our precedent in an analogous

context, we cannot say any error is clear. See United States v. Teague, 443 F.3d 1310,

1319 (10th Cir. 2006) (“If neither the Supreme Court nor the Tenth Circuit has ruled on

the subject, we cannot find plain error if the authority in other circuits is split.”); United

States v. Ruiz-Gea, 340 F.3d 1181, 1187 (10th Cir. 2003) (“In general, for an error to be

contrary to well-settled law, either the Supreme Court or this court must have addressed

the issue.”); United States v. Rickett, 535 F. App’x 668, 677 (10th Cir. 2013) (“[T]o

render an alleged error ‘clear’ or ‘obvious,’ Mr. Rickett needs controlling Supreme Court

or Tenth Circuit precedent, or a hefty weight of controlling authority from other circuits.”

(emphasis omitted)). We therefore reject Defendant’s best-evidence-rule argument.

       B.     Sufficiency of the Evidence

       Even though Agent Smith’s testimony was admissible, we must still decide

whether the evidence was sufficient to sustain the jury’s verdict that JPMorgan and Big

Horn were FDIC insured when Defendant committed the charged acts. Viewing the

evidence in the light most favorable to the government, United States v. Cooper, 375 F.3d

1041, 1044 (10th Cir. 2004), we hold that the evidence was sufficient to find that

JPMorgan was FDIC insured on the relevant date. Because that is enough to sustain the

conviction, we affirm.

       At the outset we note that a bank’s status as an FDIC-insured institution on the

date of the crime is an element of federal bank fraud that must be proved to the jury

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beyond a reasonable doubt. See United States v. Rackley, 986 F.2d 1357, 1360–61 (10th

Cir. 1993) (“In order to convict the defendant of bank fraud under 18 U.S.C. § 1344, the

government was required to prove . . . that the financial institution was then insured by

the [FDIC].”). Despite the importance of this element, this case is just one of many in

which the government has treated proof of FDIC-insured status as an afterthought. We

continue to be “troubled by the government’s casual treatment of this element.” United

States v. Bindley, 157 F.3d 1235, 1239 (10th Cir. 1998). Proof is not difficult. The FDIC

could not make it easier. Its website states that it can “assist prosecutors who need to

prove an institution’s insured status under a criminal statute by providing a ‘proof’ of

insured status.” FDIC, Instructions for Requesting Confirmation that an Institution was

FDIC-Insured on the Date of an Offense (July 2, 2011),

https://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/ProofofFDICInsuredStatus.html (last visited

Nov. 13, 2015). All a prosecutor need do is send a fax to the number provided and the

FDIC will provide a statement of coverage at the relevant time. See id; Ex. 1 at 2.2

       To be sure, the evidence in this case was not as strong as the website procedure

would have yielded. But viewed in the light most favorable to the government, it was

sufficient. Regarding JPMorgan, Agent Smith testified that “in [his] research . . .


2
 There may even be easier ways to prove a bank’s FDIC-insured status using the FDIC
website. Given how simple the FDIC has made it for a prosecutor to prove coverage, we
do not expect to see another case like this in this circuit. If we cannot rely on the
assistant United States attorneys with their law degrees to obtain this evidence, perhaps
we can at least rely on the FBI to deposit it in the prosecutor’s lap.


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JPMorgan Chase bank [is] federally insured.” R., Vol. 3 at 86. He described that

research as “pull[ing] up the FDIC website and [finding] their information and their

certificate number.” Id. at 85.3 He said that checking the FDIC website to determine

whether a bank is FDIC insured is part of his “normal course of business as an FBI

agent.” Id. at 86. From this testimony a jury could reasonably infer that when Agent

Smith accessed the FDIC website, he read entries showing that JPMorgan was insured by

the FDIC on that date. And if the date that Smith checked the website was sufficiently

close to the time of Defendant’s offense, the jury could also reasonably infer that the

bank was insured at the time of Defendant’s offense. See Sliker, 751 F.2d at 484–85

(noting “the principle that the subsequent existence of a condition is some evidence of its

prior existence, at least when the time span is not too great and there is no suggestion of

an intervening circumstance that might call its previous existence into question,” and

holding that testimony that bank “is” FDIC insured (at time of trial) permitted jury to

infer that bank was insured at time of crime (more than three years earlier, see id. at 480,

496)). Compare United States v. Ware, 416 F.3d 1118, 1122 (9th Cir. 2005) (less than

3
  The FDIC website provides a “BankFind” tool by which anyone can research the FDIC
status of an individual bank. See FDIC, BankFind, https://research.fdic.gov/bankfind/
(last visited Feb. 5, 2016). This tool permits searching for FDIC-insured banking
institutions by bank name, FDIC number, or location. See id. Once a bank is selected, the
website provides various information about the bank, including FDIC status (active or
inactive), FDIC certificate number, when the bank was established, and when it was first
insured. See FDIC, BankFind: JPMorgan Chase Bank, National Association (FDIC
#: 628), https://research.fdic.gov/bankfind/detail.html?bank=628&name=JPMorgan%20
Chase%20Bank,%20National%20Association (last visited Feb. 5, 2015). Links are also
available that display the bank’s locations, history, and financial data. See id.


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six-month delay between crime and trial allows jury to infer “the existence of past

insurance coverage from testimony of present insurance coverage”), with United States v.

Ali, 266 F.3d 1242, 1244 (9th Cir. 2001) (no inference of FDIC coverage could be drawn

based on testimony “solely in the present tense at trial, well over two years after the time

of the alleged offense”).

       In this case the jury could draw a reasonable inference that Agent Smith checked

the FDIC website within a few months of the offense. Defendant’s offense against

JPMorgan occurred in August 2012. Smith investigated the matter and arrested

Defendant in October, although only on the charge of defrauding Big Horn. A

superseding indictment handed down in March 2013 included the charge of defrauding

JPMorgan, which was described as a “federally insured financial institution[],” R., Vol. 1

at 66. (It appears that the jury was given a date-stamped copy of the indictment.) A jury

could infer that Agent Smith conducted his research on JPMorgan’s FDIC insurance

before that indictment issued, about seven months after the offense. In our view, that

time lapse is sufficiently short that the jury could infer FDIC insurance coverage in the

summer of 2012. See United States v. Brunson, 907 F.2d 117, 119 (10th Cir. 1990)

(relying in part on documentary evidence showing federal insurance coverage seven

months after the crime as circumstantial evidence of insurance on the date of the crime).

       Moreover, our examination of the trial exhibits reveals two mortgage-loan

statements—dated July 30, 2012, and August 31, 2012—which both include the notation

“JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A. Member FDIC.” United States v. Iverson, No. 12-CR-

                                             19
245-J, Trial Ex. 500 at 9–10, 13–14 (D. Wyo. 2012). These documents, admitted without

objection as business records of the bank, are strong corroboration that JPMorgan was

FDIC insured both immediately before and immediately after the offense occurred. See

United States v. Pascarella, 84 F.3d 61, 71 (2d Cir. 1996) (finding sufficient evidence of

bank’s FDIC insurance in part based on Defendant’s “bank statements stat[ing] that the

bank was so insured”). In all, we are satisfied that the evidence regarding JPMorgan’s

FDIC status was sufficient to support a jury finding that JPMorgan was FDIC insured on

the date of the offense.

       Because there was sufficient evidence that JPMorgan was FDIC insured on the

date of the offense, we need not address Defendant’s argument that there was insufficient

evidence of Big Horn’s coverage. Defendant’s offense, a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1344,

requires defrauding only one financial institution, not two. We recognize that the

indictment charged Defendant with defrauding both institutions. But indictments

typically charge alternative means of committing an offense in the conjunctive. Doing so

establishes that the grand jury found that the defendant probably committed the offense

via all the alternative means. See United States v. Daily, 921 F.2d 994, 1001 (10th Cir.

1990) (“[I]t is generally accepted procedure to use ‘and’ in an indictment where a statute

uses the word ‘or.’ This assures that defendants are not convicted on information not

considered by the grand jury.”), overruled on other grounds by United States v.

Gaudin, 515 U.S. 506 (1995). This leaves to the petit jury to determine whether the

government can prove any of the means. The jury instructions at trial typically describe

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the means of committing the offense in the alternative and allow the jury to convict if it

finds any of the means beyond a reasonable doubt. See United States v. Earls, 42 F.3d

1321, 1327 (10th Cir. 1994) (“[I]t is entirely proper for the district court to instruct the

jury in the disjunctive, though the indictment is worded in the conjunctive.” (internal

quotation marks omitted)); United States v. Gunter, 546 F.2d 861, 868–69 (10th Cir.

1976) (“It is hornbook law that a crime denounced in the statute disjunctively may be

alleged in an indictment in the conjunctive, and thereafter proven in the disjunctive.”). If

after conviction it is determined that there was insufficient evidence of guilt with respect

to one of the alternative means, we presume that the jury did not base its verdict on that

means and we will affirm if there was sufficient evidence of any of the other means. See

Griffin v. United States, 502 U.S. 46, 56 (1991) (“Petitioner cites no case, and we are

aware of none, in which we have set aside a general verdict because one of the possible

bases of conviction was neither unconstitutional . . . nor even illegal . . . , but merely

unsupported by sufficient evidence.”); United States v. Ayon Corrales, 608 F.3d 654, 657

(10th Cir. 2010) (“[W]hen there is sufficient evidence to support a conviction on one

theory of guilt on which the jury was properly instructed, we will not reverse the

conviction on the ground that there was insufficient evidence to convict on an alternative

ground on which the jury was instructed.”).

       On occasion, as here, the jury instructions unnecessarily set forth the means of

committing the offense in the conjunctive (just as in the indictment), stating that the jury




                                              21
must find that the defendant committed the offense through all the alleged means.4 In

that circumstance we have previously adopted what we have called the law of the case

regarding unobjected-to elements instructions in criminal prosecutions. We have held

that each charged element, even if unnecessary, must be proved, and reversal is required

if there is insufficient evidence of any element. See, e.g., United States v. Romero, 136

F.3d 1268, 1273 (10th Cir. 1998); United States v. Cronic, 900 F.2d 1511, 1515 n.3 (10th

Cir. 1990); United States v. Killip, 819 F.2d 1542, 1547–48 (10th Cir. 1987); United

States v. Biglow, 554 F. App’x 679, 683–84 (10th Cir. 2014). But those holdings have


4
  The jury was instructed that it must find that Defendant schemed to defraud “Big Horn
Federal Savings Bank and JPMorgan Chase Bank” and that “Big Horn Federal Savings
Bank and JPMorgan Chase Bank were insured by the [FDIC.].” R., Vol. 1 at 115
(emphasis added). Jury Instruction No. 18 told the jury:
       ….
               To find the defendant guilty of this crime you must be convinced
       that the government has proved each of the following beyond a reasonable
       doubt:
               First: the defendant, Marvin Iverson, knowingly executed a scheme
       or artifice to obtain money or property from Big Horn Federal Savings
       Bank and JPMorgan Chase Bank by means of false or fraudulent pretenses,
       representations, or promises;
               Second: Big Horn Federal Savings Bank and JPMorgan Chase Bank
       are financial institutions within the meaning of the law; in this case, that
       means the government must prove that Big Horn Federal Savings Bank and
       JPMorgan Chase Bank were insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance
       Corporation;
               Third: the false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises
       that the defendant made were material, meaning they would naturally tend
       to influence, or were capable of influencing the decision of the Big Horn
       Federal Savings Bank and the JPMorgan Chase Bank.

Id. at 115.


                                            22
now been overruled by the Supreme Court’s opinion in Musacchio v. United States, 136

S. Ct. 709 (2016), which held that “when a jury instruction sets forth all the elements of

the charged crime but incorrectly adds one more element, a sufficiency challenge should

be assessed against the elements of the charged crime, not against the erroneously

heightened command in the jury instruction,” id. at 715. The Court said that the law-of-

the-case doctrine is inapplicable in this context, explaining that “the doctrine is

something of a misnomer when used to describe how an appellate court assesses a lower

court’s rulings.” Id. at 716 (internal quotation marks omitted). The doctrine “generally

provides that when a court decides upon a rule of law, that decision should continue to

govern the same issues in subsequent stages in the same case. . . . [But an] appellate

court’s function is to revisit matters decided in the trial court.” Id. (internal quotation

marks omitted).5

       In short, the government adequately proved the offense charged in the indictment.

III.   CONCLUSION

       We AFFIRM the judgment below.




5
 The Court noted, however, that “[w]hen an appellate court reviews a matter on which a
party failed to object below, its review may well be constrained by other doctrines such
as waiver, forfeiture, and estoppel, as well as by the type of challenge that it is
evaluating.” Id. But no such considerations appear to have any purchase here. There is
no hint that Defendant relied on the prosecution’s having to prove its case with respect to
both JPMorgan and Bighorn.

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EXHIBIT 1
FDICl
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
550 17th Street NW, Washington, D.C. 20429-9990                                 Executive Secretary




Name
Address
City, State, Zip


Dear XXX:

          By facsimile dated October 7,2010, you requested proof of the insured status of
Bank for the XX time period.

       In response to that request, we are enclosing a Certificate of Proof of Insured
Status certifying that this institution was an insured depository institution. Also enclosed
is a duplicate of the insurance certificate issued to this institution, which was in effect on
the specified dates.

         Please note that insurance certificates issued to a branch do not recite the
specific geographic location of the branch. Instead, all insurance certificates issued to a
federally insured depository institution reflect the institution's home/parent office
location. This is because an institution's status as a federally insured depository
institution encompasses its home office as well as each domestic branch office
established by the institution. In other words, an insured depository institution's home
office and all of its domestic branch offices are considered to be one entity for federal
deposit insurance purposes under the Federal Deposit Insurance Act (FDI Act); funds
deposited at a domestic branch office location are insured to the same extent as if they
had been deposited at the institution's home office location instead.

          Please review the enclosed documents upon receipt to make sure that they
satisfy your requirements. If I can be of further assistance in this matter, please let me
know.

                                                   Sincerely,



                                                  XXX
                                                   Counsel

Enclosures
         CERTIFICATE OF PROOF OF INSURED STATUS


      1. I, XXX, hereby certify and attest that I am a Counsel

at the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and that I have the

official custody of the records of the Federal Deposit Insurance
Corporation.

      2. I further certify that the attached record pertaining
to the admission and history of Bank, City, State, is an

official record of the Corporation, and is attached hereto as
Exhibi t "A. II


      3. I further certify that insurance applicable to the main
office of Bank, City, State, is applicable to any domestic

(U.S.) branch office of Bank.



      4. I further certify that, after diligent search, no
record or entry in the official records of the Corporation has

been found to exist which terminated the status of Bank, as an
insured depository institution under the provisions of section 8

of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act, 12 U. S. C. 1818, and that
Bank, retained its status as an insured depository institution

of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation from Date through
and including Date.

      DATED:
           (SEAL)

                                        XXX
                                      Counsel
                       FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURACE CORPORATION


CITY OF WASHINGTON
                           SS
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA


        I, , a Notary Public in and for the
District of Columbia, hereby certify that XXX, whose signature
appears above, is personally known to me, that the said XXX is
Counsel at the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and has
custody of the official records of the Federal Deposit Insurance
Corporation which pertain to the insured status of depository
insti tutions, and that the signature above of the said XXX is
genuine. I further certify that I have a seal of office and
have official duties in the District of Columbia where the said
XXX is employed and where the aforesaid official records are
kept.
        DATED:

           (SEAL)

                                   NOTARY PUBLIC

                       My commission expires:
                          CERTIFICATION


     I, XXX, Counsel at the Federal Deposit Insurance

Corporation, hereby certify and attest that the attached

duplicate copy of the certificate of insurance issued to Bank,

is a true and correct copy of the original.

     DATED:

        (SEAL)

                                     XXX
                                   Counsel
                    FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURACE CORPORATION
EXCERPTS FROM FDIC RECORDS

Institution name

                      Raleigh
                      NC 2 7 6 0 1 - 1 974

Insurance date        11/03/1990
Certificate #
Former bank name
Former bank name
Actions               Main office relocated from to, Raleigh, NC, effective 12/03/2008.

Actions               Ti tIe changed from                              to
                      effective 04/05/2008.

Actions               Main office relocated from                                   ~ock
                      Mount, NC, to                               , Raleigh, NC,
                      effective 10/12/2006.

Actions               Title changed from i                      or i
                      effective 10/30/2001.

Actions               Main office relocated from to
                                             Rocky Mount, NC, effective 06/18/2001.

Actions                           , Rocky Mount, NC, was admitted to membership
                      in the FDIC, effective 11/03/1990.

Classification        State member
Fund                  DIF




                                         EXHIBIT "A"
                                Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
                                          550 17th Street, NW
                                        WASHINGTON, DC 20429



                                       BRANCH HISTORY REPORT

  Branch Uninum


      Branch Status C

      Branch Active Y

       FINANCIAL INSTITUTION


      Raleigh, NC 27601-1974
                                                       CLASS/CATEGORY         SMl13

       CERTIFICATE NUMBER                               PRIMARY   FED         FED

       INSTITUTION UNIQUE                               PRIMARY INS FUND      DIF



       PREVIOUS UNIQUE NUMBER



       BRANCH                                           MAILING ADDRESS




       LAGRAGE, GA 30240-0000

._.                                                                                        _._._._- ._- - .

                                                        SERVICE TYPE          11


                                                        EFFECTIVE DATE        12109/2006

                                                        PROCESSED DATE        12121/2006

                                                         TRANSACTION NUMBER   200620580
       ACTION
       BRANCH ACQUIRED IN ABSORPTION/CONSOLIDATION/MERGERIFAILURE (713)




                                               Exhibit IIBII
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FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCIE CORPORATION
             WAS H I N G TON i D. q.
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   Hereby certifies that the deposits of each depositor in
                                                                                    I
                                           RALEIGH
                         NORTH CAROLINA
    are insured to the maximum amoun~ provided by the
          Federal Deposit Insur~nce Act                                             i
                                                                                    !                                                       -- ..~I~
                                                                                        In testimony whereof, witness my signature and the seal of the
                      No: __""__..-----....-.---.-..                                    Corporation this .._ÉTH... day of _ APRJ!:~.2008.______
               Atle~~                                        EXECUTIVE SECRETARY


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Case No. 14-8071, United States of America v. Iverson
O’BRIEN, J., concurring.

       Of one thing there can be no doubt, or at least no reasonable doubt: the deposits in

both Big Horn Federal Savings Bank (BHFSB) and JPMorgan Chase Bank (JPM) are

now federally insured and were federally insured when Iverson committed these banking

crimes. One can be sure of such things by going to the FDIC’s official internet site. It

directs inquiries about FDIC-insured institutions to its web pages: “FDIC BankFind

allows you to locate FDIC-insured banking institutions.”1 And those pages do, indeed,

show both banks to have been continuously insured for decades. For instance, all

branches of BHFSB are federally insured and have been so insured since February 28,

1936.2 See Appendix. The bank was established in 1935 as a Savings and Loan; in 1990

it changed its organizational type to “Mutual Savings Bank” and adopted its current

name; and since July 2011 its regulatory agency has been the Comptroller of the

Currency.3 Id. Nothing on the website suggests a bank failure or a lapse in its federal




       1
           https://research.fdic.gov/bankfind (last visited Feb. 25, 2016).
       2
        https://research.fdic.gov/bankfind/detail.html?bank=29637&name=Big%20Horn
%20Federal%20Savings%20Bank&searchName=BIG%20HORN%20FEDERAL%20SA
VINGS%20BANK&searchFdic=&city=&state=WY&zip=&address=&searchWithin=&a
ctiveFlag=&tabId=2 (last visited Feb. 25, 2016).
       3
        https://research.fdic.gov/bankfind/detail.html?bank=29637&name=Big%20Horn
%20Federal%20Savings%20Bank&searchName=BIG%20HORN%20FEDERAL%20SA
VINGS%20BANK&searchFdic=&city=&state=WY&zip=&address=&searchWithin=&a
ctiveFlag=&tabId=2 (last visited Feb. 25, 2016).
deposit insurance. Id. The same is true of JPM.4 None of this can reasonably be

questioned. This case is not even remotely about significant facts. Iverson has not

claimed or even argued that the banks were not federally insured when he committed

these crimes, only that the proof of their federally insured status was inadequate.

       I join Judge Hartz’s carefully crafted and compelling opinion. I write separately

only to suggest an alternative basis for affirming. We can and should take judicial notice

of the banks’ federally insured status during the relevant events. Doing so elevates

substance over form and eliminates the need to wrestle with arcane evidentiary issues.

       I.      Judicial Notice in General

       A judge or court may notice facts “not subject to reasonable dispute” because

either they are “generally known within the trial court’s territorial jurisdiction” or “can be

accurately and readily determined from sources whose accuracy cannot reasonably be

questioned.” Fed. R. Evid. 201(b). Such notice may be taken upon motion or sua sponte

and at any stage of the proceedings, even on appeal. Fed. R. Evid. 201(c),(d) & advisory

committee’s note (1972 Proposed Rules). It can be taken in both civil and criminal cases.

But there is a difference—“[i]n a civil case, the court must instruct the jury to accept the

noticed fact as conclusive” whereas in a criminal case the jury must be instructed “that it

may or may not accept the noticed fact as conclusive.” Fed. R. Evid. 201(f).




       4
         JPM was also FDIC-insured on the date of the crime but because we need only
one, see Musacchio v. United States, No. 14-1095 (U.S. Jan. 25, 2016), for simplicity I
will only refer to BHFSB.


                                                  2
       On that score the legislative history of Rule 201(f) is revealing: the civil/criminal

divide came from Congress. United States v. Jones, 580 F.2d 219, 223 (6th Cir. 1978);

see also 1 Christopher B. Mueller & Laird C. Kirkpatrick, Federal Evidence § 2:10 (4th

ed. 2013). As the rule was originally proposed by the Supreme Court both civil and

criminal juries would be instructed to accept judicially noticed facts as conclusive. Id.

Congress rejected the proposal in favor of the current rule. Id. It was concerned that

requiring a jury in a criminal case to accept as conclusive any judicially noticed fact

would be “‘inappropriate” as “contrary to the spirit of the Sixth Amendment right to a

jury trial.’” Jones, 580 F.2d at 223 (quoting H. Rep. No. 93-650, 93rd Cong., 1st Sess. 6-

7 (1973)). In doing so, it “intended to preserve the jury’s traditional prerogative to ignore

even uncontroverted facts in reaching a verdict” and to prevent a court from “effectively

permitting a partial directed verdict as to facts in a criminal case.”5 Id. at 224.

Accordingly, trial courts and appellate courts generally may not take post-trial judicial

notice of adjudicative facts in a criminal case to support a judgment against the

defendant.6 Mueller & Kirkpatrick, supra, § 2:8, 2:10. But there is an important

distinction.

       5
         See also Mueller & Kirkpatrick, supra, § 2:10 (“Rule 201(f) as finally enacted is
consistent with the well-established principle that a court cannot direct a verdict of guilty
against a criminal defendant, in whole or in part, by instructing the jury to consider as
proved a particular point or an element in a charge, no matter how conclusive the
evidence. These limits on judicial control over juries in criminal cases have the effect of
empowering juries to ‘nullify’ even the most strongly supported charges, and to acquit a
defendant despite overwhelming or indisputable evidence of guilt.”).
       6
        Other concerns restrain an appellate court from taking judicial notice for the first
time on appeal, whether in a civil or criminal case. Fact-finding is a trial court function.
                                                               (Continued . . .)
                                                  3
       II.    Adjudicative Facts v. Legislative Facts

       The rule applies only to “adjudicative” facts, not “legislative” facts. Fed. R. Evid.

201(a). We have described adjudicative facts as “simply the facts of the particular case”

and legislative facts as those having “relevance to legal reasoning and the lawmaking

process; they are established truths, facts or pronouncements that do not change from


Routine-taking of judicial notice on appeal would interfere with the trial courts’ role as
fact-finders. Mueller & Kirkpatrick, supra, § 2:8. It would also effectively relieve a
party from its duty to present facts in a timely fashion at trial. Id.; see also Garner v.
Louisiana, 368 U.S. 157, 173 (1961) (refusing to take judicial notice for first time on
appeal of racial relations existing in South as proof that defendants’ sit-in would
“foreseeably disturb or alarm the public,” an element of the charge; “[t]o extend the
doctrine of judicial notice to the length pressed by the respondent would require us to
allow the prosecution to do through argument to this Court what it is required by due
process to do at the trial, and would be to turn the doctrine into a pretext for dispensing
with the trial”).
        These are valid concerns, but only as to judicial notice of adjudicative facts, not
legislative ones. As Mueller and Kirkpatrick explain:
       [J]udicial notice of adjudicative facts that help prove charges or defeat defenses on
       the merits is improper on appeal . . . even though failure of proof on the part of the
       prosecution generally bars retrial of the defendant. It is less clear [whether this
       proposition] should apply to post-trial judicial notice of facts relating to matters of
       subject matter jurisdiction or venue, as opposed to matters relating to culpability. .
       . . It is one thing to say that defendants in criminal cases are entitled to jury
       determinations, and to the protection provided by the standard of proof beyond a
       reasonable doubt, on elements relating to culpability. It is another thing to argue
       that defendants are entitled to such protections on points relating to the division of
       legislative responsibility between Congress and the states . . . .
              Perhaps with these points in the back of their minds, courts have in fact
       taken post-trial judicial notice of points relating to jurisdiction and venue, and
       there seems to be a growing trend toward making judges rather than juries
       responsible for deciding these points. Sound modern authority has concluded
       more generally that judicial notice in such settings lies beyond the reach of Rule
       201.
Mueller & Kirkpatrick, supra, § 2:10.


                                                  4
case to case but apply universally.” United States v. Wolny, 133 F.3d 758, 764 (10th Cir.

1998) (citations and quotation marks omitted). The Eighth Circuit has expounded on

their differences:

       When a court finds facts concerning the immediate parties who did what, where,
       when, how, and with what motive or intent the court is performing an adjudicative
       function, and the facts are conveniently called adjudicative facts.

               Stated in other terms, the adjudicative facts are those to which the law is
       applied in the process of adjudication. They are the facts that normally go to the
       jury in a jury case. They relate to the parties, their activities, their properties, their
       businesses.

               Legislative facts, on the other hand, do not relate specifically to the
       activities or characteristics of the litigants. A court generally relies upon
       legislative facts when it purports to develop a particular law or policy and thus
       considers material wholly unrelated to the activities of the parties.

               Legislative facts are ordinarily general and do not concern the immediate
       parties. In the great mass of cases decided by courts, the legislative element is
       either absent or unimportant or interstitial, because in most cases the applicable
       law and policy have been previously established. But whenever a tribunal engages
       in the creation of law or of policy, it may need to resort to legislative facts,
       whether or not those facts have been developed on the record.

United States v. Gould, 536 F.2d 216, 219-20 (8th Cir. 1976) (citations and quotation

marks omitted); see also Mueller & Kirkpatrick, supra, § 2:2 (“[A]djudicative facts are

the ‘who, what, where, and when’ of a lawsuit . . . .”).

       III.    Applying the Distinction

       In Gould, the defendants were charged with importing a Schedule II controlled

substance (cocaine). 536 F.2d at 217. The statute defined a Schedule II controlled

substance as, among other things, those substances containing coca leaves. Id. at 218.

The evidence at trial included expert testimony that the substance imported contained


                                                   5
cocaine hydrochloride but there was no direct evidence of cocaine hydrochloride being a

derivative of coca leaves. Id. The trial court, however, took judicial notice of cocaine

hydrochloride’s status as a Schedule II controlled substance and instructed the jury: “If

you find the substance was cocaine hydrochloride, you are instructed that cocaine

hydrochloride is a schedule II controlled substance under the laws of the United States.”

Id. (quotation marks omitted). The Eighth Circuit concluded the trial court had not erred

in taking judicial notice: “The fact that cocaine hydrochloride is derived from coca leaves

is, if not common knowledge, at least a matter which is capable of certain, easily

accessible and indisputably accurate verification.” Id. at 219. It also decided no error

occurred in the trial court’s judicial notice instruction, which required the jury to accept

the noticed fact as conclusive, contrary to Rule 201. Id. at 219-21. It determined Rule

201 not to apply because the judicially-noticed fact was a legislative fact, not an

adjudicative one:

       It does not relate to who did what, where, when, how, and with what motive or
       intent, nor is it a fact which would traditionally go to the jury. The fact that
       cocaine hydrochloride is a derivative of coca leaves is a universal fact that is
       unrelated to the activities of the parties to this litigation.

Id. at 220-21 (citation and quotation marks omitted). Importantly, the court concluded

the jury’s role in determining adjudicative facts was not preempted because it was

required to determine what substance was seized. Id. at 220-21; see also United States v.

Coffman, 638 F.2d 192, 194 (10th Cir. 1980) (following the reasoning in Gould and

finding no error in the trial court’s instruction to the jury that LSD was a Schedule I

controlled substance).


                                                  6
       More to the point here is United States v. Davis, 726 F.3d 357 (2d Cir. 2013).

Davis assaulted another inmate while imprisoned at the Metropolitan Detention Center

(MDC), a federal prison located in New York. He was charged with federal assault under

18 U.S.C. § 113(a)(6). Id. One of the elements of the crime—the so-called

“jurisdictional” element—required the assault to occur “within the special maritime and

territorial jurisdiction of the United States.” Id. At trial, the testimony of MDC

employees identified MDC as a federal prison located on federal land. Id. at 360-61.

Davis claimed the evidence was insufficient to establish an assault occurring within the

special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States. Id. at 362. The Second

Circuit agreed. Id. at 364-65. Nevertheless, it took judicial notice of MDC’s status as an

institution within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States. Id.

at 367. In doing so it parted company with the trial judge, who had expressly refused “to

take judicial notice of anything.” Id. at 366 (quotation marks omitted). Taking judicial

notice of a fact for the first time on appeal in a criminal case is noteworthy. The Second

Circuit’s reason for doing so was well grounded; Rule 201(f)’s proscription against

taking conclusive judicial notice in a criminal case does not apply to legislative facts. Id.

at 367. Similar to the Eighth Circuit’s approach in Gould, it reasoned: “[W]hether a

particular plot of land falls within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the

United States is a ‘legislative fact’ that may be judicially noticed without being subject to

the strictures of Rule 201.” Id. It cited to other cases in which appellate courts noticed

federal jurisdiction over particular lands even where the prosecution had failed to present

direct evidence on the issue; “appellate courts take judicial notice of legislative facts

                                                  7
under appropriate circumstances, especially where they relate to straightforward

questions, such as geography and jurisdiction.” Id. (quotation marks omitted). Finally,

and significantly, it expressed agreement with other circuits which have concluded that a

defendant’s Sixth Amendment right to a jury trial is not violated by taking judicial notice

of legislative facts as they relate to the “jurisdictional” status of a particular piece of land.

Id. at 369. It explained:

       [T]o determine whether a crime took place within the special maritime and
       territorial jurisdiction of the United States requires two separate inquiries: one to
       determine the ‘locus of the crime’ and one to determine the existence vel non of
       federal jurisdiction. While the former is plainly a factual question for the jury to
       decide, the latter—turning on a fixed legal status that does not change from case to
       case and involving consideration of source materials (such as deeds, statutes, and
       treaties) that judges are better suited to evaluate than juries—has always been
       treated in this Circuit as a legal question that a court may decide on its own.

Id. (citation omitted); see also United States v. Behmanshah, 49 F. App’x 372, 376 n.2

(3d Cir. 2002) (concluding evidence was sufficient to satisfy interstate commerce element

of money laundering offense based on, inter alia, the use of an FDIC-insured institution;

appellate court the first to notice the FDIC-insured status of subject bank) (unpublished).7


       7
         While there is contrary authority, it uniformly fails to properly distinguish
between legislative and adjudicative facts as courts have come to understand the
distinction. In Jones, supra, the defendant was convicted of illegally intercepting
telephone conversations. 580 F.2d at 221. One of the elements of the charge is that the
telephone company which furnished and installed the tapped telephone be a “common
carrier.” Id. at 221-22. The only evidence on this element at trial was that the tapped
telephone was furnished and installed by South Central Bell Telephone Company. Id.
The government, seeking to save the conviction, requested the Sixth Circuit to take
judicial notice of the fact that South Central Bell is a “common carrier.” Id. at 222.
While it acknowledged that Rule 201 allowed judicial notice to be taken at any time, even
on appeal, the court decided judicial notice was inappropriate. Id. at 223-24. It relied on
Rule 201’s requirement for a criminal jury to be instructed that it may, but is not required
                                                                  (Continued . . .)
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       These cases are highly persuasive, particularly Davis. I see no daylight between a

federal prison’s status as being “within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of

the United States” and a bank’s status as being federally insured. Particularly when all

national banks are required to have FDIC insurance8 and Wyoming law also requires the

same for all banks in the state.9 Rule 201 does not apply.

       IV.    Noticing the Obvious Does Not Infringe Upon Iverson’s Rights




to, accept as conclusive a judicially-noticed fact. Id. at 223. According to the Sixth
Circuit, this rule “plainly contemplates that the jury in a criminal case shall pass upon
facts which are judicially noticed. This it could not do if this notice were taken for the
first time after it had been discharged and the case was on appeal.” Id. at 224.
        Jones failed to distinguish between adjudicative facts, covered by Rule 201, and
legislative facts, not within the scope of Rule 201. The common carrier element involved
in Jones is a legislative fact for the same reasons the status of the drugs in Gould, the
status of the property in Davis, and (as I discuss) BHFSB’s FDIC-insured status are all
legislative facts.
       Similarly, in United States v. Bliss, we refused to take judicial notice of the fact
First National Bank of Green River was a member of the Federal Reserve System as
required by the crime of conviction (falsifying bank records) because no request had been
made by the government. 642 F.2d 390, 391-392 & n.2 (10th Cir. 1981). In any event,
relying on Jones, we questioned the propriety of doing so. Id. at 392 n.2. But, even
assuming it was proper, “we decline[d] to exercise our discretion and judicially notice
these facts.” Id. Given that holding, our reliance on Jones in our Bliss opinion was dicta.
        Finally, Garner, supra, is not to the contrary. Whether defendants’ actions would
“foreseeably disturb or alarm the public,” 368 U.S. at 165, is an adjudicative fact, not a
legislative one. Taking judicial notice of such adjudicative fact for the first time on
appeal would have been improper under Rule 201.
       8
        See http://www.helpwithmybank.gov/get-answers/other-topics/fdic-
insurance/faq-other-topics-fdic-insurance-04.html (last visited Feb. 25, 2016).
       9
         Wyo. Stat. Ann. § 13-2-103 (“All banks shall obtain insurance of their deposits
by the United States and shall subscribe for insurance of deposit accounts by the federal
deposit insurance corporation (FDIC).”).


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       Noticing the FDIC-insured status of the financial institutions involved here does

not interfere with Iverson’s right to a jury trial.10 Like deciding (1) whether a crime took

place within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States (Davis)

or (2) whether a defendant imported a Schedule II controlled substance (Gould),

determining whether Iverson defrauded a FDIC-insured bank requires two separate

inquiries: one to determine that Iverson did in fact defraud a certain bank and one to

establish the existence of federal court jurisdiction. The former is clearly a question for

the jury and the jury was so instructed in this case. (R. Vol. 1 at 113 (requiring jury to

find beyond a reasonable doubt that “the defendant, Marvin Iverson, knowingly executed

a scheme or artifice to defraud Big Horn Federal Savings Bank and JPMorgan Chase

Bank”)). The latter inquiry, on the other hand, is simply a legal question as to whether

the bank is one with respect to which Congress can properly exercise its legislative

powers.

       Most of Iverson’s arguments are little more than background noise intended to

distract us from the core issue, his nearly palpable guilt. After all, a properly instructed

jury convicted him. It did so after being instructed that no conviction could lie if it

entertained a reasonable doubt as to whether “[BHFSB] and [JPM] are financial

institutions within the meaning of the law; in this case that means the government must

prove that [BHFSB] and [JPM] were insured by the [FDIC].” (R. Vol. 1 at 113.) At

bottom, the question is whether a jury could so find on the evidence presented after

       10
            See, supra, discussion at 6-8.


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crediting all permitted inferences and the individual jurors’ common sense and life

experiences.11 With respect to the jury’s determination several matters inform the debate:

(1) it is commonly accepted that most banks in the United States are FDIC insured, (2) all

national banks must be so insured, see supra n.8, (3) in Wyoming all banks must be

FDIC insured, see supra n.9, (4) as Judge Hartz points out, evidence in the record reveals

JPM’s written claim to be FDIC insured (Majority Op. at 19-20), (5) the name, Big Horn

Federal Savings Bank, is itself revealing, (6) Agent Smith’s testimony regarding his

investigation may be thin but it is worthy of some consideration,12 and perhaps most

important, (7) the FDIC-insured status of the banks was virtually uncontested. One might

ask how compelling must evidence be on an uncontested point. Not very in a case such

       11
          See United States v. Truong, 425 F.3d 1282, 1288 (10th Cir. 2005) (“We review
claims of insufficient evidence de novo, but view the evidence, as well as the reasonable
inferences that could be drawn from it, in the light most favorable to the government. An
inference is reasonable if the conclusion flows from logical and probabilistic reasoning.”)
(citation and quotation marks omitted); Webb v. United States, 347 F.2d 363, 364 (10th
Cir. 1965) (“[T]he jury’s function [in a criminal case] is broad enough to allow it to make
common sense inferences from proven facts . . . .”); see also United States v. Durham,
211 F.3d 437, 441 (7th Cir. 2000) (“[I]t is well established that juries are allowed to draw
upon their own experience in life as well as their common sense in reaching their verdict.
While common sense is no substitute for evidence, common sense should be used to
evaluate what reasonably may be inferred from circumstantial evidence.”) (quotation
marks omitted).
       12
          The government apparently forgot to present proof of the banks’ FDIC-insured
status, creating a last-minute scramble to recover. Iverson recognized its oversight as a
possible “gotcha” moment, not one requiring substantive evidence or argument, but only
a technical objection. The government’s feeble attempts to recover from its self-inflicted
“gotcha” are puzzling. With the technological tools available in a modern federal
courtroom one would expect the government to have presented the jury with a real time
look at the FDIC website. All it takes is a computer connected to the internet and a
monitor enabling jurors to view the available information. Doing so would have saved
the government and us considerable angst.


                                                11
as this where FDIC insurance is essentially collateral to the core issue—Iverson’s

criminal acts—and where the evidence of those acts (the “who, what, when, where, how

and why (intent)”) is overwhelming.

       Taking judicial notice of legislative facts is efficient; it is also appropriate when,

as here, no substantial rights of the defendant are put at risk by doing so.




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No. 14-8071, United States v. Iverson
PHILLIPS, Circuit Judge, dissenting:


      I respectfully dissent. Because I believe that the district court erred in admitting

hearsay testimony from FBI Agent Kent Smith to establish that Big Horn Federal Savings

Bank (Big Horn Bank) and JPMorgan Chase Bank were FDIC insured, I would reverse

and remand for a new trial.

      The government’s case ended on a strange and abrupt note. After appearing to

have finished examining its final witness, Agent Smith, the government realized that it

had overlooked an element of Iverson’s bank-fraud offense charged under 18 U.S.C.

§ 1344—proof that the two banks were FDIC insured. As Agent Smith prepared to step

down from the witness stand, the government obtained the court’s permission to continue

his direct examination. What followed was a short but critical evidentiary skirmish—with

the government trying to establish the FDIC-insurance element through Agent Smith, and

Iverson and his standby counsel objecting each step of the way.

   1. Hearsay

      After recognizing the urgent need to establish the FDIC-insurance element, the

government resumed its questioning of Agent Smith by asking whether he had done “any

research” to determine the FDIC-insurance status of Big Horn Bank and JPMorgan

Chase. R. vol. III at 85. The agent answered yes, adding that Big Horn Bank was so

insured. To this volunteered testimony, Iverson’s standby counsel successfully objected

on foundation grounds. The government then circled back, asking what research Agent
Smith had done. This time, Agent Smith answered that for JPMorgan Chase he had

“pulled up the FDIC website and found their information and their certificate number,”

and that for Big Horn Bank he had “been to that actual bank [and] requested a copy of

their FDIC certificate which included their number.”1 Id.

      The government then asked—interspersed with hearsay objections—whether

looking at the FDIC website was “a normal course of business to check to see if a bank is

FDIC insured . . . in your normal course of business as an FBI agent . . . ” Id. at 85–86.

Although Iverson objected on hearsay grounds, the government pressed forward without

waiting for a ruling. After verifying that FBI agents “rely on those records to be accurate

to determine if a bank is FDIC insured,” the government asked its key question: “Do you

know if the banks of Big Horn Federal Savings and . . . JPMorgan Chase are federally

insured?” Id. at 86. This sparked another hearsay objection, which the district court

overruled.2 Agent Smith then said, “Yes, in my research both Big Horn Federal Savings

Bank and JPMorgan Chase bank are federally insured.” Id. Iverson chose not to cross-

examine Agent Smith.

      On appeal, Iverson contends that the district court abused its discretion by

admitting Agent Smith’s FDIC-insurance testimony because that testimony depended on

hearsay statements contained within the referenced FDIC certificate and FDIC webpage.


      1
          Notably, although certainly implying it, Agent Smith never in fact testified that
he saw the certificate, raising the possibility that his testimony was based on a hearsay
statement from someone at Big Horn Bank about the hearsay statement contained in the
certificate.
      2
          Nowhere did the government ever respond to Iverson’s hearsay objection.
                                            2
Primarily, Iverson’s argument rests on an undisputed fact—the government never

admitted into evidence either of the two FDIC records that the FBI agent relied on to

prove the required FDIC-insurance element. Iverson contends that the district court

permitted Agent Smith to introduce the hearsay statements by allowing him to testify

about his memory of the two records’ contents. Thus, Iverson argues that the district

court correspondingly deprived him of any ability to examine the written contents of the

two records or to challenge their admissibility on hearsay grounds.

      On appeal, the government confesses the hearsay error. In doing so, it explains its

reasoning well:

       [I]f a witness’s knowledge about a fact of consequence is based only on the
      witness’s personal knowledge of an out-of-court statement offered to prove
      the truth of the fact asserted in that statement, then [the witness’s]
      testimony must comply with the hearsay rule; i.e., it must be allowed by a
      statute, an exception to the rules of evidence, or by a Supreme Court rule.

Appellee’s Br. at 9 (citing United States v. Gutierrez de Lopez, 761 F.3d 1123, 1132

(10th Cir. 2014) (citing Fed. R. Evid. 602 advisory committee’s notes (1972))).

      Along this same line, the government notes that “[i]n light of the foregoing rules,

there can be little doubt that Special Agent Smith’s testimony about the insured status of

the two banks was hearsay.” Id. at 10. First, the government says that Agent Smith relied

on the FDIC certificate for Big Horn Bank—“clearly an ‘out-of-court statement’ that

‘asserted’ the fact that Big Horn was insured.”3 Id. Second, the government says that

Agent Smith’s testimony about the FDIC webpage showing insurance coverage for

      3
       Indeed, as mentioned, Agent Smith premised his testimony that both banks were
FDIC insured by saying that “in my research both Big Horn Federal Savings Bank and
JPMorgan Chase are federally insured.” R. vol. III at 86 (emphasis added).
                                            3
JPMorgan Chase is no more than his saying, “I read it on the Internet.” Id. For these

reasons, the government concedes that Agent Smith’s FDIC-insurance testimony lacked

“the proper foundation from, for example, a records custodian from FDIC itself.” Id. at

11 (citing United States v. Cooper, 375 F.3d 1041, 1045–49 (10th Cir. 2004)); see

Cooper, 375 F.3d at 1045–49 (identifying various ways to prove FDIC insurance,

including through an FDIC records custodian). Having identified the hearsay testimony,

the government candidly acknowledges that it knows of no rule, statute, or exception to

the hearsay rule permitting the district court to admit Agent Smith’s hearsay testimony on

the FDIC-insurance element.

       In my view, the government correctly concedes Iverson’s hearsay argument.

Agent Smith based his FDIC-insurance testimony on out-of-court statements contained in

records that the government never admitted at trial. The out-of-court statements Agent

Smith relied on are hearsay—they are out-of-court statements “offer[ed] in evidence to

prove the truth of the matter asserted in the statement[s].” Fed. R. Evid. 801(c). I see no

reason for the government to elicit this testimony from Agent Smith other than to prove

the FDIC-insurance element. And without Agent Smith’s hearsay testimony, I see no

other government proof that would even begin to prove this required element of the

charged offense.

       So in my view, the majority errs by refusing the government’s concession of error.

In doing so, it blesses an impermissible, unprecedented shortcut through the Federal

Rules of Evidence. Rather than requiring the government to admit the hearsay documents

into evidence through Fed. R. Evid. 803(8), 902, and 1005, the majority brushes past—

                                            4
even ignores—the government’s obligations under these rules. In doing so, the majority

deprives Iverson of the protections afforded to him by those rules, all while declaring the

rules met without ever seeing the records that Agent Smith says established the FDIC-

insurance element. In effect, the majority guesses that the government could have

produced and admitted the records—a guess that somehow renders compliance with the

Federal Rules of Evidence unnecessary.

       As support for this remarkable course, the majority falls back on strings of cases

standing for propositions undisputed here—first, that if the government proceeds

correctly it can introduce FDIC certificates under hearsay exceptions found in Fed. R.

Evid. 803(6) and 803(8), Maj. Op. at 7; second, that parties in civil suits may introduce

certain public records such as county tax assessments, U.S. patent certificates, and

drivers’ licenses under Fed. R. Evid. 803(8), Maj. Op. at 9–10; third, that parties in civil

suits can introduce as public records webpages from public agencies, id. at 10–11; and,

fourth, that courts may take judicial notice of webpages of public agencies, id. at 11.4


       4
         But these cases do not support the majority’s shortcut approach. Under the rules
of evidence, a hearsay statement in a public record cannot be admitted into evidence apart
from the public record—the hearsay statement can’t travel alone. The majority’s cited
cases follow this rule. They allow the hearsay statements if the proponent admits into
evidence the record containing the hearsay. See, e.g., United States v. Arthur, 822 F.2d
60, 1987 WL 37871, at *3 (6th Cir. June 30, 1987) (unpublished table decision) (holding
that the certificate was properly admitted under Fed. R. Evid. 803(8)); United States v.
Albert, 773 F.2d 386, 389 (1st Cir. 1985) (holding that the district court properly admitted
the certificate under the business-records exception, Fed. R. Evid. 803(6)). The rules
disallow what the majority approves—witnesses being rewarded for leaving the public
records elsewhere for no reason and opting for an empty-handed, “Trust me, here’s what
they say.” The rules are not so trusting. See 5 C. Mueller and L. Kirkpatrick, Federal
Evidence § 10:32, (4th ed. 2013) (providing that “[i]n its preferential aspect, Rule 1005
bars ‘other evidence’ of the content of a public document, or a document filed or
                                             5
      My chief criticism of the majority is that it ignores the key point that the parties

emphasized—the government failed to admit into evidence either of the two records.5

The majority steps too far by assuming the existence of the unproduced records and their

automatic admissibility. Even if a proponent seeking admission of a record satisfies Fed.

R. Evid. 1005—the best-evidence rule for public records—the rules would not relieve the

proponent from also satisfying Rule 802. Thus, in my view, even if the government could

have met Rule 1005 here, it would still have needed to admit into evidence the FDIC

public records under Fed. R. Evid. 803(8) before Agent Smith could build FDIC-

insurance testimony from hearsay statements within those FDIC records. See United

States v. Ruffin, 575 F.2d 346, 355–56 (2d Cir. 1978) (concluding that although a copy of

an IRS public record would have been “otherwise admissible” under Fed. R. Evid. 1005,

the record would still have been inadmissible as hearsay); cf. United States v. Johnson,

594 F.2d 1253, 1255–56 (9th Cir. 1979) (requiring that separate, voluminous writings

offered in a single summary under Fed. R. Evid. 1006 be independently admissible). For

good reason, the rules require a proponent of documentary-hearsay evidence to persuade

the district court of the hearsay’s admissibility after considering any objections from the

opponent.

recorded in public office, if a copy may be had.” (citing Amoco Prod. Co. v. United
States, 619 F.2d 1383, 1390 n.6 (10th Cir. 1980))).
      5
         In Stearns v. Paccar, Inc., 986 F.2d 1429, 1993 WL 17084, at *5 (10th Cir. Jan.
22, 1993) (unpublished table decision), we disallowed as inadmissible hearsay a
plaintiff’s testimony about what salaries he had seen on W-2 forms of other employees.
We required that “to admit evidence regarding the W-2 forms of other . . . employees,
Plaintiffs were required to submit the W-2 forms to the district court through [the
company’s] records custodian.” Id.
                                            6
       The government doesn’t need us to ease its evidentiary burdens. Nothing in the

rules blocks the government’s clear path to admitting FDIC certificates to prove that

financial institutions are FDIC insured. See Cooper, 375 F.3d at 1048 (outlining ways the

government can admit an FDIC certificate to satisfy the FDIC-insurance element). The

government might well succeed by simply bringing an FDIC certificate to court together

with a knowledgeable witness who could testify about the bank’s FDIC-insurance status.

See United States v. Brunson, 907 F.2d 117, 119 (10th Cir. 1990) (concluding that a bank

manager’s testimony—along with the FDIC certificate—sufficiently proved the FDIC-

insurance element). Rule 803(8) is a blinking neon sign promising hospitality to litigators

seeking admission of public records. But the rules of evidence afford a party opposing the

admission of public records—such as the FDIC certificate and FDIC webpage here—the

opportunity to challenge relevancy, trustworthiness, and authenticity of the proffered

record. Fed. R. Evid. 803(8), 902. Our task here is a modest one—to enforce the rules.

      In my view, the majority’s judicial-shortcut approach awards a forfeit win to the

government contrary to the Federal Rules of Evidence. In effect, the majority has created

its own exception to the Rule 803(8) hearsay exception. Under its approach a witness—

like Agent Smith—need no longer produce and admit into evidence at trial hearsay

records, but instead can wing it by testifying from memory about the critical contents of

the hearsay records. That alone is a startling development, but doubly so when the

witness’s testimony is offered to prove a required element of a criminal offense.6 See


       6
        Nor do I think taking judicial notice of the FDIC’s webpage would solve the
problem. See Maj. Op. at 11; Concurrence at 1–2, 9–12. For starters, I believe the FDIC-
                                            7
United States v. Gaudin, 515 U.S. 506, 522–23 (1995) (concluding that “[t]he

Constitution gives a criminal defendant the right to have a jury determine, beyond a

reasonable doubt, his guilt of every element of the crime with which he is charged. The

trial judge’s refusal to allow the jury to pass on the ‘materiality’ of Gaudin’s false

statements [under 18 U.S.C. § 1001] infringed that right.”).

       By rolling out this red carpet, the majority essentially invites the government to

forgo any hassles arising from pesky criminal defendants examining and challenging the

content, trustworthiness, and authenticity of records containing hearsay—even when

those records establish elements of charged crimes.7 Although the majority cites many

cases, I see none among them approving its evidentiary detour.




insurance element concerns an adjudicative fact, not a legislative one. See Fed. R. Evid.
201. Either the banks here had the FDIC insurance or they didn’t—this inquiry is one
about “simply the facts of the case.” Id. advisory committee’s notes. The FDIC-insurance
question is a “fact[] that normally go[es] to the jury in a jury case.” Id. I don’t see how
the presence of FDIC insurance involves legislative facts—“those which have relevance
to legal reasoning and the lawmaking process, whether in the formulation of a legal
principle or ruling by a judge or court or in the enactment of a legislative body.” Id. I
don’t see FDIC insurance as similar to the primary example of legislative facts given in
the advisory notes—the fact determinations underlying the policy of the spousal
privilege. Id.
       7
         Even though the government itself doesn’t think it fairly convicted Iverson, the
majority overrides the government’s concession and declares otherwise. If the
government’s proof here truly satisfies its burden to prove the charged offense, I’m
unsure why the majority provides alternative means of proof or chastises the government
for its method of proof. Maj. Op. at 17, 17 n.2. By lowering the bar, the majority invites
the government to do no more next time or any other time.

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   2. Best-Evidence Rule

       On appeal, but not at trial, Iverson argues that Agent’s Smith’s testimony about

the FDIC-insurance element also violated the best-evidence rule, Fed. R. Evid. 1002.

Appellant’s Opening Br. at 14. Thus, Iverson must show (1) “an error,” (2) that is plain,

and that (3) “affect[s] the [defendant’s] substantial rights.” Puckett v. United States, 556

U.S. 129, 135 (2009). If Iverson establishes all three prongs, an appellate court may

exercise its discretion to correct the error only if (4) the error “seriously affect[s] the

fairness, integrity, or public reputation of judicial proceedings.” United States v. Olano,

507 U.S. 725, 736 (1993).

       For the first prong, I agree with Iverson that Agent Smith’s testimony violated the

best-evidence rule (since the government didn’t admit into evidence originals or copies of

the two public records). Fed. R. Evid. 1002, 1005. Unquestionably, Agent Smith based

his FDIC-insurance testimony on the contents of the two public records. And, obviously,

the government did not try to excuse its failure to produce copies of these two public

records based on their being unobtainable despite reasonable diligence. See Fed. R. Evid.

1005. Thus, the government could prove the content of the records only by producing

them, establishing their admissibility, and ensuring that the copies of the public records

were “certified as correct in accordance with Rule 902(4) or is testified to be correct by a

witness who has compared [them] with the original[s].”8 Id. For plain error’s second


       8
          Although Rule 1005 is located within Article X of the Federal Rules of
Evidence, “Contents of Writings, Recordings, and Photographs,” and concerns “best
evidence,” it regulates testimonial hearsay, too. We need look no further than the effect
of the rule in our case—because the government didn’t admit a copy of the FDIC public
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prong, I would conclude that the requirements of Rule 1005 are well-established, so

admitting testimony about the contents of the records without producing and admitting

the documents themselves was error that is plain.9

       Even so, Iverson would fail the latter two prongs of plain-error review. For the

third prong, he cannot show that the best-evidence error was “prejudicial, meaning that

there is ‘a reasonable probability that, but for the error claimed, the result of the

proceeding would have been different.’” United States v. Algarate-Valencia, 550 F.3d

1238, 1242 (10th Cir. 2008) (quoting United States v. Gonzalez-Huerta, 403 F.3d 727,

733 (10th Cir. 2005)). Had the district court sustained Iverson’s hearsay objection to

Agent Smith’s FDIC-insurance testimony, the government may well have called

additional witnesses to establish that Big Horn Bank and JPMorgan Chase were FDIC

insured. In addition, for the fourth prong, Iverson cannot show that admitting Agent

records, Rule 1005 bars hearsay testimony like Agent Smith’s (as “other evidence”).
Thus, I’d conclude that Iverson’s general hearsay objection was sufficient to reach Rule
1005’s testimonial-hearsay bar.
       9
         The majority concludes that any error would not be plain, saying that “[t]he best-
evidence rule does not apply to testimony relating to the existence of a document, as
opposed to its contents.” Maj. Op. at 14 (emphasis in original). To illustrate its point, the
majority cites United States v. Beebe, 467 F.2d 222, 225 (10th Cir. 1972), where “we
held that the best-evidence rule did not prevent witnesses from testifying ‘that their
businesses were “licensed dealers” in firearms rather than producing documents
evidencing their actual licensing.’” Maj. Op. at 15. On the same point, the majority also
cites United States v. Sliker, 751 F.2d 477, 483 (2d Cir. 1984), where the Second Circuit
upheld, over a best-evidence challenge, testimony that a bank was FDIC insured. Maj.
Op. at 15. What the majority misses is the context of the testimony in those cases—
neither involved witnesses testifying about the contents of the federal-firearms license or
FDIC-insurance certificates. Had those two cases involved that sort of testimony—as
Agent Smith’s testimony surely did—the best-evidence rule would have barred the
testimony as it would here.

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Smith’s testimony “seriously affect[ed] the fairness, integrity or public reputation of

judicial proceedings.” Olano, 507 U.S. at 736. Neither in the district court nor on appeal

has Iverson even disputed that the two financial institutions were in fact FDIC insured.

   3. Sufficiency of the Evidence

       I agree with the majority that sufficient evidence would support Iverson’s

conviction if Agent Smith’s FDIC testimony had been admissible. But because I believe

the hearsay rule should have disallowed this testimony, I cannot vote to affirm Iverson’s

conviction.

       In this circumstance, the government directs us to Lockhart v. Nelson, 488 U.S. 33

(1988). There, the Supreme Court reviewed a case in which a jury convicted a defendant

(Lockhart) of being a habitual criminal after finding that he had four previous felony

convictions. Id. at 36. In a federal habeas proceeding, Lockhart showed that he had

previously obtained a pardon for one of the convictions. Id. at 37. Throughout his

prosecution, the government mistakenly contended that Lockhart had not been pardoned,

but that his sentence had merely been commuted. Id. at 36. In contending that the Double

Jeopardy Clause barred a resentencing at which the government could offer proof of an

unrelated, additional felony conviction, Lockhart relied on Burks v. United States, 437

U.S. 1, 11 (1978), which disallows reprosecution when a conviction is reversed for

insufficiency of evidence. While recognizing the rule of Burks, the Lockhart Court

created an exception to that rule, holding “that in cases such as this, where the evidence

offered by the State and admitted by the trial court—whether erroneously or not—would



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have been sufficient to sustain a guilty verdict, the Double Jeopardy Clause does not

preclude retrial. Id. at 34.

       I agree with the government that a retrial is the proper remedy here since the

government’s total evidence—including the erroneously admitted hearsay testimony of

Agent Smith—would have sufficed to sustain Iverson’s guilty verdict.10 Appellee’s Br. at

13. In fact, in the district court, Iverson never even argued that the evidence would be

insufficient if the hearsay testimony were admitted. Nor did Iverson renew his foundation

objection in response to Agent Smith’s testifying that the two banks were FDIC insured. I

agree that if Agent Smith’s FDIC-insurance testimony had been admissible, the evidence

would have sufficed to sustain Iverson’s conviction.11 Accordingly, I would reverse and

remand for retrial in accordance with Lockhart.




       10
          In his reply brief, Iverson doesn’t cite Lockhart. He does cite a case that in turn
cites Lockhart—United States v. Medina-Copete, 757 F.3d 1092 (10th Cir. 2014)—but
that case dealt with an entirely different situation; that is, one in which sufficient
evidence supported the jury’s guilty verdict, but we still worried that inadmissible
evidence may have contributed to the verdict. Id. at 1107–08. In addition, Iverson cites
United States v. Wheeler, 776 F.3d 736 (10th Cir. 2015), a case in which we found
sufficient evidence to convict because we couldn’t “say that no rational juror could find
Mr. Wheeler’s statements to be true threats.” Id. at 746. In short, Iverson hasn’t really
addressed the government’s Lockhart argument.
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           And, for the same reason as the majority gives, I would conclude that the
government’s failure to tie its FDIC-insurance proof to the exact dates of Iverson’s
charged conduct does not defeat the evidence’s sufficiency. See United States v. Tukes,
442 F. App’x 373, 374 (10th Cir. 2011) (unpublished) (upholding a conviction when the
bank’s manager said that the bank “is” federally insured after agreeing with “our sister
circuits [that] have held that analogous present-tense testimony can be understood to
mean that a bank was insured at the time of the offense”).
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