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                                       File Name: 19a0248p.06

                    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
                                    FOR THE SIXTH CIRCUIT



 LETICIA RUDOLPH,                                          ┐
                                     Plaintiff-Appellee,   │
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                                                           >      No. 18-1901
        v.                                                 │
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                                                           │
 DANIEL T. BABINEC and ROBERT A. ATKINSON, in their        │
 individual and official capacities,                       │
                                  Defendants-Appellants.   │
                                                           ┘

                           Appeal from the United States District Court
                      for the Western District of Michigan at Grand Rapids.
                        No. 1:17-cv-00125—Janet T. Neff, District Judge.

                                      Argued: July 31, 2019

                             Decided and Filed: September 20, 2019

                    Before: MOORE, COOK, and THAPAR, Circuit Judges.

                                       _________________

                                            COUNSEL

ARGUED: G. Gus Morris, MCGRAW MORRIS P.C., Southfield, Michigan, for Appellants.
Shawn C. Cabot, CHRISTOPHER TRAINOR & ASSOCIATES, White Lake, Michigan, for
Appellee. ON BRIEF: G. Gus Morris, MCGRAW MORRIS P.C., Southfield, Michigan, for
Appellants. Amy J. DeRouin, CHRISTOPHER TRAINOR & ASSOCIATES, White Lake,
Michigan, for Appellee.

     The court delivered a PER CURIAM opinion in which THAPAR, J., joined in part.
THAPAR, J. (pp. 15–18), delivered a separate opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part.
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                                         _________________

                                               OPINION
                                         _________________

        PER CURIAM. There are two sides to every story. Here, the two sides read like they
come from different books. What really happened on the night Officers Daniel Babinec and
Robert Atkinson seized Leticia Rudolph in her home for a psychiatric evaluation depends on
whom you ask. As Rudolph tells it, the officers violated her rights by seizing and injuring her.
As the officers tell it, they did what any reasonable officer would have done. Because this is a
limited appeal from summary judgment, we must accept Rudolph’s version and thus affirm the
district court’s denial of summary judgment on three of Rudolph’s four claims.

                                         I.      BACKGROUND

        Late one night, Leticia Rudolph’s ex-husband, Kyle Rudolph, decided to pay her a visit.
Kyle1 went to check on her after their son had texted him: “[S]he has the .22 out[,] will you go
over there[?]” R. 53-3 (Incident Rep.) (Pg. ID 182). Rudolph, a single mother, slept with her .22
gun out every night to feel safe. When Kyle arrived at Rudolph’s home, the two spoke for close
to an hour about their daughters and their relationship. Kyle decided to take Rudolph’s gun with
him as he left, which Rudolph let him do. After Kyle left, Rudolph went to sleep. But the night
did not end there.

        Later, around 3:00 A.M., Officer James Hodges stopped Kyle for speeding.                    Kyle
admitted he was carrying a gun. He explained that he took it from his ex-wife earlier that night
because he was worried about her. And Kyle showed Officer Hodges the text message from his
son saying Rudolph had her gun out, as well as a text message from Rudolph saying “good bye.”
R. 53-3 (Incident Rep.) (Pg. ID 182). Meanwhile, Officer Daniel Babinec arrived at the traffic
stop to assist and secure the gun. Ultimately, the officers let Kyle go with a warning, but they
felt obligated to do a wellness check on Rudolph.



        1We mean no disrespect by the use of Kyle Rudolph’s first name. We use it here only to distinguish
between Kyle Rudolph and Leticia Rudolph.
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       Officer Babinec, accompanied by Officer Robert Atkinson, went to Rudolph’s home and
banged on her doors and windows. She was asleep, so she did not answer. After Officers
Babinec and Atkinson informed Officer Hodges that they could not get a response, Officer
Hodges followed Kyle into his driveway and told him to call Rudolph. Rudolph answered and
stated on speakerphone that she was sleeping, and Officer Hodges told her that his officers were
at the door. Rudolph then got up and opened the door. The officers entered without her
permission and asked her whether she felt suicidal. Rudolph replied that she was not and felt
fine. Rudolph generally cooperated with the officers, but the officers, without much further
inquiry, gave her the option of going voluntarily to the hospital or being taken into custody
involuntary for a mental-health check.

       Then, according to Rudolph, things took a turn. Rudolph says that Officer Babinec
grabbed her by the arm without warning, slammed her body and face into the wall, and
handcuffed her. She told the officers that the handcuffs were “really tight,” and that the officers
were hurting her. R. 54-2 (Leticia Rudolph Dep.) (Pg. ID 570). They responded that she was
suicidal. The officers then “manhandled” her out of the house, without giving her a chance to
put shoes on, and dragged her across her forty-foot driveway. Id. (Pg. ID 570–72). Rudolph
could not keep up with the officers and asked them to slow down. They did not. Rudolph
stumbled and hurt her right ankle—so badly that she would later need two surgeries to treat that
injury. She complained repeatedly to Officers Babinec and Atkinson that the handcuffs were too
tight, but they did not respond.

       Once in the car, Officers Babinec and Atkinson drove Rudolph to the hospital about ten
minutes away. The hospital measured her blood alcohol level at .153. The doctor had to wait a
few hours for Rudolph’s blood alcohol level to go down so he could perform a psychiatric
evaluation.    When it did go down, the doctor performed the psychiatric evaluation and
determined that “[Rudolph] is at extremely low risk of self harm as she does not appear to want
to harm herself, has not tried to here and is sober and denies any sort of homicidal or suicidal
thought or desire.” R. 54-7 (ER Record) (Pg. ID 718); see also id. (noting that Rudolph “appears
completely sober frankly.”).       Rudolph was released.    She then sued Officers Babinec and
Atkinson and Fruitport Township, alleging various constitutional violations.
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                                  II. QUALIFIED IMMUNITY

       This case comes to us after the district court denied Officers Babinec and Atkinson’s
motion for summary judgment. In this limited appeal, we consider only whether the officers are
entitled to qualified immunity.     Mitchell v. Forsyth, 472 U.S. 511, 530 (1985). Qualified
immunity shields government officials from individual liability if they did not violate a clearly
established right “of which a reasonable person” in the same situation would have known.
Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 800, 818 (1982). At this stage, we decide questions of law, not
questions of fact. The parties continue to disagree over what really happened. But “we must
ignore the defendant[s’] attempts to dispute the facts and nonetheless resolve the legal
issue[s] . . . .” Bunkley v. City of Detroit, 902 F.3d 552, 560 (6th Cir. 2018) (internal quotation
marks omitted). In doing so, we accept Rudolph’s “version of the facts” and draw all inferences
in her favor. Scott v. Harris, 550 U.S. 372, 378 (2007).

       A. Mental-Health Seizure

       Rudolph alleges that the officers violated her Fourth Amendment rights when they
executed a mental-health seizure.      In denying qualified immunity to Officers Babinec and
Atkinson, the district court reasoned that “[t]he general level of uncertainty surrounding the
veracity of [Kyle’s] account as well as the disparate testimony about Plaintiff’s subsequent
interaction with the officers are questions of fact bearing on the probable cause issue . . . .” R. 57
(Dist. Ct. Op.) (Pg. ID 1039). We agree. Although the officers had a reason to show up at
Rudolph’s door for a wellness check, a jury could reasonably find that the officers lacked
probable cause when they executed this mental-health seizure.

       It is clearly established law “that in the context of a mental health seizure an officer must
have probable cause to believe that the person seized poses a danger to [her]self or others.”
Fisher v. Harden, 398 F.3d 837, 842 (6th Cir. 2005). “A showing of probable cause in the
mental health seizure context requires only a ‘probability or substantial chance’ of dangerous
behavior, not an actual showing of such behavior.” Id. at 843 (quoting Monday v. Oullette,
118 F.3d 1099, 1102 (6th Cir. 1997)). If probable cause exists, a person’s denial that they are at
risk of suicide does not by itself eliminate that probable cause. See Ziegler v. Auckerman,
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512 F.3d 777, 779 nn.1–3, 784 (6th Cir. 2008) (granting qualified immunity even though
plaintiff denied making any suicidal comments, and “plaintiff allegedly suffer[ed] from a mental
illness that prevent[ed] her from realizing her own need for treatment.”). Further discussion of
Fisher and Monday reveals another significant point in the analysis for mental-health seizures:
whether a reasonable officer would question the veracity of a suicide report based on the facts at
the scene of the wellness check that is done in response to the suicide report.

       The Fisher court held that the officers lacked probable cause to believe that the plaintiff
was a danger to himself or others. 398 F.3d at 843. In that case, an unrelated third party
reported that a man had tied himself to railroad tracks and might be attempting to commit
suicide. Id. When the officers arrived at the scene, however, the facts “would have caused a
reasonable officer to question the veracity of the attempted suicide report.” Id. Among these
were the fact that the plaintiff readily complied with the officers’ commands to walk toward
them, indicating that he was not tied to the railroad tracks; the plaintiff had a hunting rifle, and he
complied with the officers’ command to drop the gun; the plaintiff was dressed in hunting attire;
and the plaintiff exhibited no other suspicious or threatening behavior. See id. at 843–44. The
officers, meanwhile, “never questioned [the plaintiff] to determine if he might be depressed and
attempting to commit suicide.” Id. at 843. Therefore, although the officers had reason to arrive
at the scene based on the attempted-suicide report, once they arrived the facts did not give rise to
probable cause to execute a mental-health seizure.

       By contrast, in Monday, the facts at the scene aligned with the suicide report, and the
court held that the officer had probable cause to believe that the plaintiff would harm himself.
118 F.3d at 1102.       There, an officer responded to a report from a third-party mental-
health professional that the plaintiff may have been at risk of injuring or killing himself. Id. at
1101–02. The report indicated that the plaintiff “was upset over a divorce and had ingested some
pills and was drinking alcohol in an effort to commit suicide.” Id. at 1102. Then, upon arrival,
the officer observed that “plaintiff in fact was drinking alcohol and appeared intoxicated and
depressed. A count of his Xanax pills by the officer[] revealed that at least twenty were
missing.” Id. Based on these facts at the scene, the officer could reasonably conclude that “an
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unacceptable risk remained that plaintiff was deceiving him in order to attain his apparently
declared goal of committing suicide.” Id. at 1103 (collecting cases).

         This case falls more on the Fisher side of the line. A review of the facts provides a basis
for the officers to have arrived at Rudolph’s house to check on her. Upon arrival, however, the
totality of the circumstances “would have caused a reasonable officer to question the veracity of
the attempted suicide report.” Fisher, 398 F.3d at 843. Or at least a jury could see this case that
way, and consequently a jury reasonably could determine that the officers lacked probable cause.

         We start with the traffic stop of Rudolph’s ex-husband. Officer Hodges pulled over Kyle
for speeding, and he then observed that Kyle exhibited some signs of intoxication. When Officer
Hodges asked Kyle to step out of the vehicle for sobriety tests, Kyle then pulled out the .22
caliber pistol and said he took it from his ex-wife and that she was intoxicated. Importantly,
there is a question of fact whether Kyle stated that Rudolph was suicidal,2 and there is no
evidence that Kyle requested the officers to check on Rudolph. See, e.g., Fisher, 398 F.3d at 843
(a third party called the police to report a suspected suicidal person); Monday, 118 F.3d at 1101–
02 (same); Gooden v. Howard County, 954 F.2d 960, 967 (4th Cir. 1992) (en banc) (same). Kyle
also showed Officer Hodges some ambiguous text messages. R. 53-3 (Incident Rep.) (Pg. ID
182) (noting a 1:06 AM text stating “good bye,” and a text from Rudolph’s son stating “she has
the .22 out will you go over there”). To be sure, a reasonable officer would have some reason to
be concerned about Leticia Rudolph given these facts—mainly, the son’s text and her alleged
intoxication. But a reasonable officer also would have thought that it is possible the ex-husband
was trying to use his ex-wife to get out of his receiving a ticket. After all, in cases like Monday
and Fisher (and many others), someone affirmatively requested the police to check on the
potentially suicidal person; here, however, an ex-husband (not a current spouse) made no such

         2Compare    R. 53-3 (Incident Rep.) (Pg. ID 182) (noting Kyle said that Rudolph was suicidal), with R. 54-3
(Kyle Rudolph Dep.) (Pg. ID 619) (Kyle testifying that he does not remember whether he said that Rudolph was
suicidal), id. (Pg. ID 628–29) (“I really just wanted to go back home and go to bed, so. . . . You know, she was
intoxicated and so I just was going to take [the gun] and go home.”), and id. (Pg. ID 644) (Q: “Do you recall ever
recommending at any point during the conversation that you should take her to the hospital [be]cause you were
concerned for her life?” A: “No.”). See also R. 57 (Dist. Ct. Op.) (Pg. ID 1039) (“The general level of uncertainty
surrounding the veracity of [Kyle’s] account as well as the disparate testimony about Plaintiff’s subsequent
interaction with the officers are questions of fact bearing on the probable cause issue, and the function of the district
court is not to determine the truth of the matter.”).
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request, and he did not reveal that his ex-wife was supposedly suicidal until only after he himself
had a run-in with the police.

       Then Officers Babinec and Atkinson drove to Rudolph’s house because of their concern
for her wellbeing. They knocked on the door, but no one responded (and recall, it is after 3:00
A.M. at this point). So the officers contacted Officer Hodges, who had followed Kyle back to
his residence, to have Kyle call Rudolph. Kyle complied, and once Rudolph answered, Kyle
handed the cellphone, which was on speaker phone, to Officer Hodges. Rudolph stated that she
was sleeping. (Yet Officer Hodges apparently failed to mention this fact to Officers Babinec and
Atkinson.) At this point, one begins to realize it is likely that Rudolph simply got drunk and fell
asleep after Kyle left, and Rudolph perhaps did something dumb if she drank alcohol while
cleaning her gun—but that is a far cry from being suicidal.

       The phone call succeeded in getting Rudolph to answer the door, at which point Officers
Babinec and Atkinson immediately entered her home without her permission. See R. 54-5
(Babinec Dep.) (Pg. ID 693–94). The officers observed that Rudolph in fact appeared to be
intoxicated, but she denied being suicidal and stated that she was cleaning her gun. The record
does not indicate that the officers otherwise asked Rudolph whether she attempted to harm
herself without the gun (perhaps with a knife or pills), why she did not answer the door, why her
son might have been concerned about her, or whether she had kids in the house, nor did they ask
if they could breathalyze her. Indeed, the record is devoid of any mention from the officers that
they thought Rudolph might overdose on drugs or have drunk alcohol to the point of risking
death. See Simon v. Cook, 261 F. App’x 873, 880 (6th Cir. 2008) (“Unlike the officers in Fisher,
[the officer in this case] questioned and observed [plaintiff] at length.”); Monday, 118 F.3d at
1102–03; Harris v. Pirch, 677 F.2d 681, 689 (8th Cir. 1982) (based on the fact that plaintiff had
been recently hospitalized, was upset when the officer arrived, and showed the officer a partially
empty bottle of pills, the court held the officer “had reasonable cause to believe that [plaintiff]
had attempted to overdose.”).

       The officers thus apparently executed this mental-health seizure because they determined
that Rudolph’s intoxication alone provided support for her ex-husband’s alleged assertion that
she was suicidal. See, e.g., R. 54-4 (Atkinson Dep.) (Pg. ID 674). That is an unreasonable
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logical leap. Cf. People v. Triplett, 192 Cal. Rptr. 537, 541 (Cal. Ct. App. 1983) (defendant’s
“intoxication and weeping standing alone would not justify detention under [a California
statute],” but the officer had probable cause to detain a woman because of “these symptoms
coupled with obvious physical signs of a recent suicide attempt”), accord Gooden, 954 F.2d at
967 (holding that officers were entitled to qualified immunity when a woman was screaming and
whose condition had caused another person to twice call the officers to the scene). Given the
totality of the circumstances, Rudolph’s intoxication standing alone cannot provide a basis to
support her ex-husband’s supposed statement that she was suicidal.

         Without any further evidence at the scene of the wellness check or inquiry into whether
Rudolph tried to harm herself, the officers therefore lacked probable cause to execute this
mental-health seizure. It is undoubtedly dangerous for a person to clean her gun while drinking
an excessive amount of alcohol, and if Rudolph had been doing that when the officers arrived,
then they would have probable cause to believe that Rudolph was a danger to herself. But
everyone in this case was concerned only about the gun, which had been taken away from
Rudolph.3 Once the danger—i.e., the gun—was removed from the equation, there was no longer
an unacceptable risk of Rudolph harming herself. Unless, of course, she exhibited suicidal
behavior. But without the gun, what is left to support probable cause at the scene of the wellness
check that Rudolph was suicidal? Based on this record and in the light most favorable to the
plaintiff, we do not see much of anything.

         Critically, the “touchstone of the Fourth Amendment is reasonableness. But this standard
does not become more forgiving as the quality of evidence (or of police work) decreases.” King
v. United States, 917 F.3d 409, 426 (6th Cir. 2019) (internal quotation marks and citation
omitted). “Rather, as the” alleged assertion by an ex-husband that his ex-wife is suicidal
“becomes less reliable . . . an officer’s reliance on that [assertion] becomes objectively less
reasonable and less likely to support a” mental-health seizure. See id. That was the case here, as

         3See  R. 54-3 (Kyle Rudolph Dep.) (Pg. ID 628–29); id. (Pg. ID 619); id. (Pg. ID 644); R. 54-4 (Atkinson
Dep.) (Pg. ID 673–74) (stating that “given the time of the . . . night . . . it seemed a little out of the ordinary [to be
cleaning a gun],” and that there were no other statements on the scene that would indicate Rudolph needed to be
taken in for a mental-health exam); id. (Pg. ID 674) (Q: “Other than that, any other statements?” A: “Just the odor
of intoxicants that I got from her during her statement.”); R. 54-5 (Babinec Dep.) (Pg. ID 693) (Q: “Were you
concerned that she had other weapons?” A: “Wasn’t really a thought.”).
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it was similarly the case in Fisher: As the events unfolded, the officers’ reliance on the initial
attempted-suicide report became less reasonable—so much so that a jury could reasonably
conclude that a reasonable officer lacked probable cause to support the mental-health seizure.
See Jacobs v. Alam, 915 F.3d 1028, 1041 (6th Cir. 2019) (explaining that “just because we must
look at the circumstances through the eyes of a reasonable officer does not mean . . . that we
must accept the officers’ subjective view of the facts when making this assessment. Given the
interlocutory nature of this appeal, rather, we must conduct the reasonable officer analysis using
the facts in the light most favorable to plaintiff.”).

        The district court questioned Kyle’s credibility in this case, and a reasonable officer
would certainly have reason to be at least a little suspicious of his assertions. Moreover,
Rudolph did not otherwise exhibit any signs during the wellness check that would provide an
arguable basis to confirm the alleged assertion that she was suicidal.       Individuals become
intoxicated late at night in their own homes all the time. Put simply, that alone cannot provide a
basis for a mental-health seizure. All that remains are Rudolph’s ex-husband’s statements and a
text from her son that he is concerned about a gun (which had been removed). Once the officers
arrived, however, they were apparently there for the sole purpose of executing a mental-health
seizure (not to determine whether she was going to harm herself), and there are no circumstances
that could have changed their decision to seize Rudolph. Based on the circumstances at least, a
jury could see it that way.

        Finally, the officers were under no legal duty to intervene, DeShaney v. Winnebago Cty.
Dep’t of Soc. Servs., 489 U.S. 189, 196–97 (1989), though the law surrounding mental-health
seizures encourages them to do so.           Once officers decide to intervene, however, certain
constitutional requirements kick in—in this case, the officers needed probable cause to believe a
person was suicidal.       Although qualified immunity grants officers leeway for mistakes on
probable-cause determinations, based on the facts of this case, the probable-cause question is
better left to the jury.

        Officers Babinec and Atkinson are not entitled to qualified immunity on this claim.
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           B. Handcuffing

           Rudolph alleges that the officers used excessive force when they handcuffed her too
tightly.     The Fourth Amendment prohibits excessive force when arresting someone, which
includes “unduly tight handcuffing.” Lyons v. City of Xenia, 417 F.3d 565, 575 (6th Cir. 2005);
Walton v. City of Southfield, 995 F.2d 1331, 1342–44 (6th Cir. 1993), superseded by statute on
other grounds as recognized in Livermore ex rel Rohm v. Lubelan, 476 F.3d 397, 407–08 (6th
Cir. 2007).      Rudolph demonstrated the three elements needed to make out an excessive-
handcuffing claim: (1) she complained that the handcuffs were too tight, (2) the officers ignored
her complaints, and (3) she suffered “some physical injury” from the handcuffing. Miller v.
Sanilac County, 606 F.3d 240, 252 (6th Cir. 2010) (citation omitted). And a reasonable officer
would have known that Rudolph had a clearly established right not to be subject to excessive
handcuffing. See, e.g., Morrison v. Bd. of Trs. of Green Twp., 583 F.3d 394, 401–04 (6th Cir.
2009). So Officers Babinec and Atkinson are not entitled to qualified immunity from this claim.

           The officers, however, argue that Miller demonstrates that even under Rudolph’s version
of the facts, they did not violate clearly established law. But Miller is inapposite. There, the
plaintiff did not complain about the tightness of the handcuffs until he arrived at the jail, at which
point the handcuffs were removed. Miller, 606 F.3d at 252. Here, Rudolph alleges that she
complained when Officers Babinec and Atkinson first put on the handcuffs, continued to
complain on the way to the hospital, and stopped complaining only when the officers finally
removed the handcuffs.        At this stage, we must accept Rudolph’s testimony, so Miller is
distinguishable.

           Officers Babinec and Atkinson also argue that the handcuffs were on Rudolph for too
little time to constitute excessive force—in other words, as a matter of law, Rudolph has nothing
to complain about. The officers propose a bright line rule: ten minutes of handcuffing is not
long enough for excessive force. And in a prior case, albeit unpublished, we noted that simply
complaining during a ten-minute car ride was not enough to state a claim. Fettes v. Hendershot,
375 F. App’x 528, 533–34 (6th Cir. 2010). But Fettes did not set a bright-line rule. Instead, it
noted that during a short trip, where officers adhere to police protocol and act reasonably, they
cannot be held liable. Id. Conduct, not time, is the measurement of a violation. To see why,
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imagine that someone was handcuffed so tightly that she was bleeding from her wrists and
screaming in pain while an officer ignored the complaint. The law would not require us to
ignore that excessive force claim because the bleeding went on for ten minutes instead of eleven.
Rather than specific time limits, what matters in an excessive force claim is whether the Miller
requirements—complaint, ignoring of complaint, and injury—are met, and whether the officers
acted reasonably in the circumstances. 606 F.3d at 252; see also Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S.
386, 388 (1989) (noting that all excessive force claims must be considered under an “objective
reasonableness” standard).

       In any case, Rudolph says she was handcuffed for longer than ten minutes. The officers
say Rudolph “acknowledged that she was only handcuffed for 10 minutes.” Appellant Br. at 18.
Not so. Rudolph acknowledges that the drive to the hospital lasted ten minutes. But she alleges
she was handcuffed before the ride to the hospital, and the handcuffs were not removed until
after she got there—she says the total time was thirty minutes. To back up this claim, she notes
that the officers arrived at her house at 3:24 A.M., and she was seen at the hospital at 3:54 A.M.
So even if Officers Babinec and Atkinson were right that ten minutes in handcuffs is too short as
a matter of law, Rudolph alleges that she was handcuffed for longer. And at this stage of the
proceedings, we accept her version of the facts as true. See Scott, 550 U.S. at 378. Under that
version of the facts, Rudolph told the officers the handcuffs were too tight and that they were
hurting her, and the officers “[d]idn’t say anything at all[.]” R. 54-2 (Leticia Rudolph Dep.) (Pg.
ID 571). In fact, no one ever adjusted the handcuffs. So the officers violated Rudolph’s clearly
established right to be free from too-tight handcuffing by unreasonably ignoring her repeated
complaints.

       Finally, Officers Babinec and Atkinson say that Rudolph has failed to provide enough
evidence to prove that they violated her right against excessive handcuffing. According to them,
Rudolph provided only a “subjective assessment” of her injury. Appellant Br. at 16–18. They
are incorrect. True, a subjective recounting of pain without some corroboration is not enough.
See Miller, 606 F.3d at 252. But Rudolph provided photos she took one day after the incident,
showing the injuries on her hands, wrists, and arms. And a picture is often worth a thousand
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words. The pictures coupled with her testimony suffice at this stage to withstand a qualified
immunity challenge.

       C. Other Excessive Force

       Rudolph also alleges that the officers used excessive force when they pushed her against
the wall and dragged her to the police car. The right to be free from excessive force during an
arrest is clearly established. Kostrzewa v. City of Troy, 247 F.3d 633, 641–42 (6th Cir. 2001).
But not every use of force violates the Constitution. Police officers may “use some degree of
physical coercion or threat thereof to effect [an arrest].” Id. at 639 (citation omitted). That force
must be objectively reasonable, judged “from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the
scene.” See Dunn v. Matatall, 549 F.3d 348, 353 (6th Cir. 2008) (citation omitted); see also
Kostrzewa, 247 F.3d at 639 (explaining that the force should be considered in the context of the
arrest scene, not “the peace of a judge’s chambers” (citation omitted)). The Supreme Court has
urged “careful attention to the facts and circumstances of each particular case” but noted two
factors to guide our inquiry: (1) “whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of
the officers or others,” and (2) “whether [she] is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade
arrest by flight.” Graham, 490 U.S. at 396.

       Officers Babinec and Atkinson argue that, even taking the facts as Rudolph alleges them,
their use of force was objectively reasonable. They provide four reasons why that is so: (1) they
believed Rudolph was intoxicated; (2) she did not answer the door when they first knocked
between 3:00 A.M. and 4:00 A.M.; (3) she denied being suicidal; and (4) she moved away from
Officer Babinec when he first tried to handcuff her.

       Those reasons are not enough. The officers are asking us to weigh their evidence over
Rudolph’s. This we cannot do. Construing the facts in Rudolph’s favor, the officers slammed
her face and body into a wall, pulled her out of her house, and dragged her down a long driveway
so roughly that she needed multiple surgeries. And all this even though she alleges that she
complied with their orders, was not attempting to flee, and in that moment posed no apparent
threat to herself or others. Our court has found excessive force in analogous cases. Solomon v.
Auburn Hills Police Dep’t, 389 F.3d 167, 173–75 (6th Cir. 2004) (denying qualified immunity
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for excessive force claim where officers tried to knock a woman down with a leg sweep, shoved
her against a display case, and yanked her arm so hard it fractured—even though she was
compliant). In Solomon, the plaintiff even “admitted that she pulled her arms together as the
officers seized her to avoid the officers’ attempt to handcuff her,” id. at 176 (Rogers, J.,
dissenting), while Rudolph denies anything of the sort. The officers are not entitled to qualified
immunity.

       III.    STATE-LAW CLAIMS & MICHIGAN GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY

       Rudolph alleges that the officers violated Michigan state law when they seized her and
took her involuntarily to the hospital. The district court denied the officers immunity under
Michigan law. Our court has held that a denial of Michigan governmental immunity may be
immediately appealed. Kindl v. City of Berkley, 798 F.3d 391, 403 (6th Cir. 2015); Smith v.
County of Lenawee, 600 F.3d 686, 689 (6th Cir. 2010) (“[T]his court has consistently . . .
allowed interlocutory appeals to be taken from orders granting or denying governmental
immunity under [Mich. Comp. Laws] § 691.1407.”). So we review the denial de novo and, as
above, draw reasonable inferences in favor of Rudolph. Kindl, 798 F.3d at 403.

       The district court applied the wrong legal standard when it analyzed this claim. The
district court resolved this claim based on the lack of objective probable cause for Rudolph’s
mental-health seizure. But since Rudolph brought these claims under Michigan law, the usual
objective reasonableness standard is not relevant here. Though federal law usually examines
whether the officers had probable cause or reasonably could have believed that they did,
Michigan law asks a different question: whether the arrest was “undertaken in good faith, or
w[as] not undertaken with malice . . . .” Odom v. Wayne County, 760 N.W.2d 217, 228 (Mich.
2008). Thus, the question is whether the officers showed “malicious intent, capricious action or
corrupt conduct” or “conduct or a failure to act that was intended to harm the plaintiff [or] . . .
that shows such indifference to whether harm will result as to be equal to a willingness that harm
will result.” Id. at 225 (citation and internal quotation marks omitted).

       Rudolph has not alleged such malice. Instead, she rests her argument on the lack of
probable cause, further arguing that the officers were “blatantly indifferent” to that fact.
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Appellee Br. at 41–42; id. at 41 (“Defendants-Appellants still unlawfully and falsely arrested
Plaintiff-Appellee and transported her to a hospital for an unnecessary medical evaluation against
her will though she had committed no crimes and did not pose an immediate threat of danger to
herself or others.”). But the absence of probable cause does not automatically lead to malice,
and Rudolph alleged no facts to support her bare conclusion that the officers acted with malice.
The closest Rudolph comes to showing bad faith is pointing to Officer Babinec’s testimony that
he never inquired if there were any other weapons in Rudolph’s home, and he admitted that it
was not a concern to him at the time. This failure to inquire further does not rise to the level of
“wantonness or a reckless indifference to the common dictates of humanity.”                 Odom,
760 N.W.2d at 225 (emphasis omitted) (quoting Firestone v. Rice, 38 N.W. 885, 888 (Mich.
1888)). Thus, we reverse the district court’s denial of Michigan governmental immunity.

                                       IV.    CONCLUSION

       We AFFIRM the district court’s denial of summary judgment on Rudolph’s claims of an
unlawful mental-health seizure, excessive force for too-tight handcuffing, and excessive force
during the seizure.    We REVERSE the district court’s denial of summary judgment on
Rudolph’s state-law claim of false arrest and imprisonment.
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                     CONCURRING IN PART AND DISSENTING IN PART
              __________________________________________________________

        THAPAR, Circuit Judge, concurring in part and dissenting in part. To get the right
answer, we must ask the right question. For qualified immunity, the right question is not
whether Officers Babinec and Atkinson took the best possible course of action when they
brought Leticia Rudolph to the hospital for a mental health evaluation. The right question is not
even whether they were correct to fear that Rudolph might harm herself. Instead, the right
question is whether the officers were “plainly incompetent” in fearing that Rudolph might harm
herself. District of Columbia v. Wesby, 138 S. Ct. 577, 589 (2018). They were not.

        Though the parties tell different stories, the core facts underlying the seizure are
uncontested. The officers pulled Kyle Rudolph over for speeding. He admitted to carrying a gun
and told the officers that he took the gun from Rudolph “so she wouldn’t harm herself.” R. 53-4,
Pg. ID 204. The officers also recall him saying that Rudolph was suicidal.1 Kyle Rudolph then
showed Officer Hodges text messages from both Rudolph’s son and Rudolph herself suggesting
she might be at risk. Finally, the officers found Rudolph intoxicated. So the officers knew that
(1) close family members were worried that Rudolph might harm herself, (2) one family member
was so worried that he had taken away Rudolph’s registered weapon at the request of another
concerned family member, and (3) Rudolph was intoxicated. Given these facts, an officer in the
field could have reasonably concluded that Rudolph might harm herself.

        The law is also clear. First, we must view these facts in totality, not in isolation. See
Wesby, 138 S. Ct. at 588–89. It is all too easy to “identif[y] innocent explanations” for specific
facts. Id. at 589. But this kind of “divide-and-conquer approach is improper.” Id. Second,
when it comes to probable cause, we deal in “probabilities,” not certainties.                          Id. at 586


        1Although    Kyle Rudolph does not recall saying that Rudolph was suicidal, that is of no moment for
summary judgment purposes. A mere memory lapse does not discredit the officers’ testimony; Rudolph cannot
“beat something with nothing.” Wysong v. City of Heath, 260 F. App’x 848, 858 (6th Cir. 2008). And even if Kyle’s
forgetfulness cast doubt on the officers’ story, it would not matter because “discredited testimony is not [normally]
considered a sufficient basis for drawing a contrary conclusion.” Anderson v. Liberty Lobby, Inc., 477 U.S. 242,
256–57 (1986) (quoting Bose Corp. v. Consumers Union of U.S., Inc., 466 U.S. 485, 512 (1984)).
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(“Probable cause is not a high bar.” (internal quotation marks omitted)). And third, we are
ultimately trying to determine whether, given the undisputed facts, the officers were “plainly
incompetent” when they concluded that Rudolph might harm herself. Id. at 589. They were not.

       The majority missteps because it takes undisputed facts—the texts—and construes them
in isolation and in a particular light. But if facts are undisputed, the question is not whether we
can think of an alternative, innocent explanation. The question is whether any reasonable officer
could draw a different inference without crossing into plain incompetence. See id. at 587 (asking
whether “[a] reasonable officer could infer” a conclusion from the undisputed facts). Take
Rudolph’s text “Good bye.” No one disputes the officers saw it. Rather, the dispute is how a
reasonable officer could understand those words given the circumstances. Could they construe it
as good riddance? Sure. But was it unreasonable for the officers to worry the text meant
goodbye forever? No. Given the information known to the officers—that Rudolph’s gun had
been confiscated, that her own son was concerned, and that her ex-husband told the officers that
Rudolph might harm herself—the officers were not plainly incompetent to err on the side of
caution.

       In addition, while intoxication alone means little, it means much more given the
surrounding facts. Id. at 588 (“Our precedents recognize that the whole is often greater than the
sum of its parts—especially when the parts are viewed in isolation.”). No one can dispute that
intoxicated people make detrimental choices they otherwise would not make if they were sober.
So the officers were surely reasonable in concluding that Rudolph’s intoxication heightened the
risk of harm.

       Nor does it matter that the officers relied on family members rather than a medical
professional to determine that Rudolph was at risk. Officers do not have the luxury of consulting
a mental health professional when they are deciding whether to take someone to a mental health
professional. See, e.g., Simon v. Cook, 261 F. App’x 873, 874, 877, 881 n.4 (6th Cir. 2008).
After all, the officers took Rudolph to see a medical professional, not to jail.

       Qualified immunity grants police officers leeway to exercise reasonable judgment.
Sometimes that judgment will mean the difference between life and death. For this reason, the
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Supreme Court has “stressed that the specificity of the [clearly established] rule is especially
important in the Fourth Amendment context.” Wesby, 138 S. Ct. at 590 (internal quotation
marks omitted). In Fourth Amendment cases, it is especially difficult for an officer to apply the
relevant legal doctrine to the ongoing situation in front of him. Kisela v. Hughes, 138 S. Ct.
1148, 1152 (2018). Thus, the Supreme Court has repeatedly “stressed the need to identify a case
where an officer act[ed] under similar circumstances” and was found to violate the Fourth
Amendment. Wesby, 138 S. Ct. at 590 (emphasis added) (internal quotation marks omitted).

        The Majority Opinion has not identified such a case. It notes instead that this case “falls
more on the Fisher side of the line.” Majority Op. at 6 (citing Fisher v. Harden, 398 F.3d 837
(6th Cir. 2005)). That is a far cry from identifying a specific case with similar circumstances that
would give an officer fair notice. Wesby, 138 S. Ct. at 590; see also Ashcroft v. al-Kidd, 563
U.S. 731, 742 (2011) (warning courts “not to define clearly established law at a high level of
generality”; what matters is “whether the violative nature of particular conduct is clearly
established” (emphasis added)). But even if falling more on one side of a line were enough,
I respectfully disagree that this case is like Fisher. In Fisher, an unrelated passerby called the
police because they thought a man 250 yards in the distance might be attempting suicide by tying
himself to the railroad tracks. Fisher v. Harden, 398 F.3d 837, 840 (6th Cir. 2005). Because the
tip lacked veracity, this circuit held the officers did not have probable cause for a mental health
seizure. Id. at 843. Here, by contrast, the concern came not from a random passerby far in the
distance, but from two family members who knew Rudolph very well, including her own son.
A reasonable officer would not have read Fisher to prohibit reliance on concern from family
members. See Wesby, 138 S. Ct. at 590; al-Kidd, 563 U.S. at 742. So it did not provide fair
notice to the officers here.

        Courts must remember that law enforcement officers must protect the public in an
uncertain and dangerous world, not the cold crucible of the courtroom. See City & Cty. of San
Francisco v. Sheehan, 135 S. Ct. 1765, 1775 (2015); Cole v. Carson, No. 14-10228, 2019 WL
3928715, at *22 (5th Cir. Aug. 21, 2019) (en banc) (Ho, Oldham, JJ., dissenting) (noting that
most judges have not experienced the real-world difficulties of policing). In that world, officers
don’t have time to debate whether the emergency in front of them falls “more on [one] side of
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the line” of precedent than another. Majority Op. at 6. Indeed, the specificity requirement of
qualified immunity protects officers from this very paralysis by analysis. As the Supreme Court
repeatedly reminds us, “[a] rule is too general if the unlawfulness of the officer’s conduct does
not follow immediately.” Wesby, 138 S. Ct. at 590 (emphasis added) (quotation marks and
citations omitted).   In short, the rule must “obviously resolve whether the circumstances
. . . constitute[d] probable cause.” Id. The majority’s “which side of the line rule” simply does
not.

        One need only consider some examples to see the importance of this point. Imagine the
police receive a tip from a man’s ex-wife and daughter saying they confiscated his weapons
because they feared he would commit a mass shooting. His family members were worried about
his mental state and believed him to be at risk of violence. Surely the police should not refrain
from taking the man in for a mental health evaluation just because the concern came from family
members alone. Or imagine that a man’s children tell police officers on the street that they are
worried their father might hurt their mother because he is having flashbacks that cause him to
lash out violently. When the officers arrive at the home, they find the man intoxicated, though
he denies that there is any problem. Should the officers really take a chance in that situation?
Qualified immunity exists to insulate these difficult judgment calls. We would all be ill-served if
it did not.

        I fear we have placed officers in an untenable catch-22. No doubt, if the officers here had
failed to act and were wrong, they would have faced significant criticism and personal guilt.
Maybe even legal consequences. Qualified immunity does not enforce a regime of “damned if
they do, damned if they don’t.” Just the opposite. It protects reasonable but mistaken judgment
calls made in extremely difficult situations. Because the officers could have reasonably believed
that they had probable cause for a mental health seizure under these facts, they should receive
qualified immunity. Thus, I respectfully dissent from the denial of qualified immunity for the
mental health seizure and concur on all other issues.
