
398 Mich. 281 (1976)
247 N.W.2d 561
KROLL
v.
HYSTER COMPANY
Docket No. 55239, (Calendar No. 15).
Supreme Court of Michigan.
Argued September 12, 1974.
Decided December 7, 1976.
Kelman, Loria, Downing, Schneider & Simpson for plaintiffs.
Johnson, Campbell & Moesta for intervenor.
KAVANAGH, C.J.
Leslie Kroll was injured while operating a forklift truck during the course of his employment with Superior Sliding Door Frame Company. He commenced an action against Hyster Company, the manufacturer of the forklift truck. Louise Kroll, his wife, joined in the action seeking damages for loss of her husband's services, society, advice and affection. Liberty Mutual Insurance Company, the workmen's compensation insurer for Kroll's employer, intervened.
The jury returned a verdict for Leslie Kroll in the amount of $175,000 and for Louise Kroll in the amount of $50,000. The judgment was satisfied.
A post-judgment hearing was held before the circuit court to apportion the costs of Leslie Kroll's recovery between Kroll and the insurer and to determine what amount the insurer was to receive as reimbursement for compensation benefits it had paid and what amount was to be paid to Kroll.
Kroll's attorney did most of the legal work in *286 the lawsuit. The insurer's attorney did some preparation and was present throughout the trial.
Section 827 of the Workmen's Compensation Act of 1969, MCLA 418.827; MSA 17.237(827), sets forth the procedure to be followed in third-party workmen's compensation actions. Subsections 5 and 6 prescribe how the recovery is to be divided.
"(5) * * * Any recovery against the third party for damages resulting from personal injuries or death only, after deducting expenses of recovery, shall first reimburse the employer or carrier for any amounts paid or payable under this act to date of recovery and the balance shall forthwith be paid to the employee or his dependents or personal representative and shall be treated as an advance payment by the employer on account of any future payments of compensation benefits.
"(6) Expenses of recovery shall be the reasonable expenditures, including attorney fees, incurred in effecting recovery. Attorney fees, unless otherwise agreed upon, shall be divided among the attorneys for the plaintiff as directed by the court. Expenses of recovery shall be apportioned by the court between the parties as their interests appear at the time of the recovery."
The judgment entered by the circuit court directed that $32,337.39 be paid to the insurer to reimburse it for compensation benefits it had paid Kroll, with the proviso that the insurer shall pay Kroll's lawyer one-third of said sum, i.e., $10,779.13, "as the proportionate share of the plaintiff's attorney fees". The judgment provides that the amount received by Kroll as his share of the recovery is "a credit against" future compensation and medical expenses which the insurer is obliged to pay under the Workmen's Compensation Act and that since the insurer "shall hereafter receive the benefit" of the amount paid Kroll, it *287 shall pay Kroll, monthly, one-third of any compensation or medical or other expenses compensable under the Workmen's Compensation Act which the insurer, but for the third-party recovery, would be obligated to pay until such time as the amount of the credit against future compensation and benefits has been consumed.
The Court of Appeals held that the circuit court erred in failing to award compensation to the attorney for the insurer and remanded this case to the circuit court for a hearing to determine the value of the services rendered by the insurer's attorney. The Court of Appeals did not address the question whether the circuit court properly required the insurer to pay Kroll one-third of any compensation or other benefits the insurer would be obliged to pay but for the third-party recovery and resulting "advance payment".
We affirm the Court of Appeals and additionally conclude that the circuit court erred in requiring the insurer to pay Kroll amounts in respect to attorney fees periodically as the insurer realizes the benefit of the advance payment resulting from the third-party recovery.
In Banoski v Moto-Crane Service, Inc, 35 Mich App 487; 192 NW2d 555 (1971), the majority, relying on Potter v Vetor, 355 Mich 328; 94 NW2d 832 (1959), held that the insurer had to pay its share of the plaintiff's attorney fees, but also held that the insurer was not entitled to reimbursement of its attorney fees because its attorney did not assist in preparing or trying the case. Justice LEVIN, who was on the panel in Banoski, dissented, saying that it was the trial court's responsibility to determine what constitutes a reasonable expenditure for attorney fees and then divide that figure between the attorney for the insurer and *288 the attorney for the employee. Justice LEVIN maintained that complete denial of any share to a party's attorney would have only been supported by a showing that that attorney's services were not necessary to the adequate representation of his client.
In the instant case the Court of Appeals panel adopted Justice LEVIN'S reasoning. We also find Justice LEVIN'S reasoning to be persuasive. On remand the circuit court shall determine what constitutes a reasonable expenditure for attorney fees for counsel for Kroll and counsel for the insurer and shall, as the statute provides, "divide" that amount among counsel for Kroll and counsel for the insurer.
Injured workmen who obtain third-party recoveries argue that the employer or his insurance carrier may obtain the benefit of the entire third-party recovery either in the form of reimbursement for benefits paid to the date of recovery or as an "advance payment" on account of any future compensation benefits and contend that the employer/insurer should accordingly pay the expenses of recovery allocable to the "advance payment". In this case the circuit court accepted that argument in part by requiring the insurer to reimburse Kroll periodically, as benefits would have become due but for the advance payment, for one-third of such benefits in respect of "plaintiff's attorney fees".
The statute provides that "[e]xpenses of recovery shall be apportioned by the court between the parties as their interests appear at the time of the recovery". The "expenses of recovery" are "the reasonable expenditures, including attorney fees, incurred in effecting recovery".
The third-party recovery is a benefit to the *289 employer/insurer and to the injured employee. After deducting the expenses of recovery, the recovery first reimburses the employer/insurer for benefits already paid. The balance is paid to the employee  an immediate benefit to the employee. That balance is also treated as an advance payment by the employer on account of future compensation benefits  a potential benefit to the employer and his insurance carrier. Whether the employer/insurer in fact realizes a benefit depends on whether future compensation benefits are payable; recovery from disability, death, or termination of dependency status may result in termination of the employer/insurer's obligation.
Since the amount paid to the injured employee (and the amount of the advance payment) are reduced by the expenses of recovery, in a sense the employee and the employer/insurer both, at the same time, "pay" the expenses of recovery.
We have considered the decisions of the Court of Appeals and of courts in other jurisdictions construing other statutes and have concluded that the expenses of recovery are to be apportioned, as our statute clearly provides, between the injured employee on the one hand and the employer/insurer on the other "as their interests appear at the time of the recovery" (emphasis supplied), i.e., without regard to whether future compensation benefits may or in fact do become payable.
We remand to the circuit court for determination of a reasonable attorney fee and for division of that amount between counsel representing the parties. The provision in the judgment ordering the insurer to pay Kroll periodically amounts in respect of the attorney fee allocable to future compensation benefits is deleted.
The insurer shall pay that portion of the expenses *290 of recovery which bears the same relationship to the total expenses as the amount of the reimbursement for benefits previously paid (before reduction on account of such portion) bears to the amount of the recovery (before reduction on account of such expenses).
Affirmed. No costs as neither party prevailed in full.
LEVIN, J., concurred with KAVANAGH, C.J.
FITZGERALD, LINDEMER, and RYAN, JJ., took no part in the decision of this case.
WILLIAMS, J. (concurring in part; dissenting in part).
This case raises three issues. First, where both an employee and a worker's compensation insurer are involved in a successful suit against a third-party defendant, should the attorney for the insurer receive payment from the total recovery for legal services he provided in the preparation or trying of the suit, under MCLA 418.827; MSA 17.237(827)?
Second, in such a third-party action, how are the attorneys' fees to be divided between the attorney for the insurer and the attorney for the employee?
Third, how is the burden of the expenses of recovery, including attorneys' fees, to be apportioned between the employee and the insurer?

I  FACTS
Plaintiff-appellant Leslie Kroll was injured and paralyzed from the waist down on July 23, 1965 while operating a forklift truck during the course of his employment with Superior Sliding Door Frame Company.
In January of 1966, he brought suit against *291 Hyster Company, the manufacturer of the forklift truck. Louise Kroll, his wife, joined in the suit seeking damages for loss of her husband's services, society, advice and affection.
The workmen's compensation insurer for Kroll's employer, Liberty Mutual Insurance Company, intervened.
After the first trial, Kroll moved for and was granted a new trial. In the second trial, the jury returned a verdict for Leslie Kroll in the amount of $175,000 and for Louise Kroll in the amount of $50,000.
Subsequent to judgment, a hearing was held for the purpose of dividing the judgment pursuant to MCLA 418.827; MSA 17.237(827).
The trial judge ordered $32,337.39 to be paid to the carrier to reimburse it for compensation it had paid to Kroll, but added that the carrier must pay to Kroll's attorney, who did most of the legal work in the lawsuit, 33-1/3% of that sum, i.e., $10,779.13 as attorney fees and $182.16 as the carrier's share of other expenses. The balance of the recovery was to go to Kroll and his attorney. Kroll's portion of the recovery was to serve as a credit against any future compensation that the insurer would be liable to pay. However, the carrier was ordered to pay, in monthly installments, one-third of any future compensation benefits for which it would subsequently have been liable independent of the recovery, to cover its share of the expense of gaining its interest in the recovery.
The insurer appealed to the Court of Appeals, alleging 1) that the statute entitled it to be compensated for attorney fees out of the employee's recovery and 2) that the trial court's method of awarding attorneys' fees was unreasonable.
The Court of Appeals agreed with the insurer on *292 the first issue and remanded to the trial court for a hearing to determine the value of the services of the insurer's attorney.
The Court of Appeals did not speak to the second issue.
Kroll applied to this Court for leave to appeal, the insurer cross-appealed, and we granted leave on January 3, 1974.

II  THE RIGHT OF THE INSURER'S ATTORNEY TO BE COMPENSATED FROM THE EMPLOYEE'S RECOVERY
Section 827 of the Worker's Disability Compensation Act of 1969, MCLA 418.827; MSA 17.237(827), establishes the guidelines for dividing the recovery in a third-party workmen's compensation action as follows:
"(5) In an action to enforce the liability of a third party, the plaintiff may recover any amount which the employee or his dependents or personal representative would be entitled to recover in an action in tort. Any recovery against the third party for damages resulting from personal injuries or death only, after deducting expenses of recovery, shall first reimburse the employer or carrier for any amounts paid or payable under this act to date of recovery and the balance shall forthwith be paid to the employee or his dependents or personal representative and shall be treated as an advance payment by the employer on account of any future payments of compensation benefits.
"(6) Expenses of recovery shall be the reasonable expenditures, including attorney fees, incurred in effecting recovery. Attorney fees, unless otherwise agreed upon, shall be divided among the attorneys for the plaintiff as directed by the court. Expenses of recovery shall be apportioned by the court between the parties as their interests appear at the time of the recovery."
We think it clear that these provisions allow for *293 the compensation of the insurer's attorney from the employee's recovery where he has contributed to the preparation and trying of the suit.
Under subsection (6), the expenses of recovery are to be shared by the insurer and the employee, and these expenses include "attorney fees".
It is well settled that the fees of the employee's attorney are expenses of recovery which must be shared by both the insurer and the employee. Potter v Vetor, 355 Mich 328; 94 NW2d 832 (1959); Horsey v Stone & Webster Engineering Corp, 162 F Supp 649 (WD Mich, 1958); Banoski v Moto-Crane, Inc, 35 Mich App 487; 192 NW2d 555 (1971).
The Court of Appeals in this case has simply concluded, in concurrence with then Judge LEVIN'S dissenting opinion in Banoski, supra, that where the insurer's attorney has participated in preparing and trying the suit, his or her compensation is also an expense of recovery which must be shared by the insurer and the employee. We agree. As stated in Banoski's dissenting opinion:
"Manifestly, [the insurer] had a substantial interest in the outcome of the action commenced by the [employee] and was entitled to be represented by counsel. It was not obliged to rely on the [employee's] lawyer to represent its interests. From [the insurer's] point of view, the fees paid to its lawyer are an expense of recovery." 35 Mich App 487, 497.
The conclusion that the Legislature intended to include the fees of the insurer's attorney as an expense of recovery is buttressed by the fact that subsection (6) directs that the attorney fees be divided between the employee's attorney and the insurer's attorney. Potter v Vetor, supra, p 332.
In the instant case, the trial court did not take *294 into account the value of the services of the insurer's attorney in dividing the recovery. Therefore, the Court of Appeals properly remanded to the trial court for a determination of the value of the services of the insurer's attorney. We affirm the Court of Appeals on this issue.

III  METHOD OF DIVISION OF ATTORNEY FEES
Given that the employee's and the insurer's attorney are entitled to be compensated for services rendered in the preparation and trial of this case, the question becomes how much each attorney is to receive from the employee's recovery.
Under MCLA 418.827; MSA 17.237(827), attorney fees are an expense of recovery. The trial court is charged by subsection (6) of this statute to determine what the "reasonable" expenses of recovery, including attorney fees, are in a third-party action. Thus, the first step in calculating the division of the attorney fees is the determination of the reasonable total fees for all the attorneys concerned.
In making this determination, the trial court shall look to GCR 1963, 928, which establishes reasonable limits of the contingency fees that may be charged in a suit for personal injury or wrongful death and be guided thereby.
The trial court should also review the reasonableness of the fee agreement between the insurer and its attorney. As shown below, the proportion of the total fees which goes to the insurer's attorney will often be affected by this fee agreement.
Second, under subsection (6), if the attorneys have agreed upon the division of the reasonable total fees, the trial court should abide by this agreement.
*295 Third, subsection (6) directs that if there is no such agreement, the attorney fees "shall be divided among the attorneys for the plaintiff as directed by the court".
The court in making the division should consider the value of the services performed by attorneys, the agreement each attorney had with his client, and the necessity of ensuring that attorneys working on a contingent fee basis are compensated sufficiently to ensure that the incentive to take third-party actions on such a fee basis is protected. If the total reasonable attorneys' fees determined by the court are less than the sum of the amounts originally agreed to by the attorneys and their clients, the fees of both attorneys should be appropriately reduced, assuming the insurer's attorney contributed in the preparation and trying of the suit.
Where the employee's attorney and the insurer's attorney have both rendered substantial service in the preparation and trial of the suit, the following sample calculation might be appropriate. The precise method of calculation used here is not intended to be mandatory, but is illustrative of an acceptable apportionment. In other situations, modifications may have to be made to take into account the factors listed above as they appear in a specific case.
Calculation of Total Unadjusted Attorneys' Fees


Insurer's Attorney's Salary Per Year            $52,000
Number of Working Days Per Year                     260
Salary Per Day                                  $   200
($52,000/260)
Insurer's Unadjusted Attorney's Fees                         $ 4,000
  (Assume 20 days work on suit)
Employee's Attorney's Unadjusted Fee                         $40,000
                                                             _______
  (One-third contingency fee for
    major part of work)
Total Unadjusted Attorneys' Fee                              $44,000
*296Calculation of Division of Court-Adjusted Attorneys' Fees
Total Adjusted Attorneys' Fees                    $40,000
  (Contingency fee agreement if within
    limits of GCR 1963, 928)
Insurer's Attorney's Percentage of Total
  Unadjusted Fees ($4,000/$44,000)                     9%
Employee's Attorney's Percentage of Total
  Unadjusted Fees ($40,000/$44,000)                   91%
Insurer's Adjusted Attorney's Fees                $ 3,600
  (9% of $40,000)
Employee's Adjusted Attorney's Fees               $36,400
  (91% of $40,000)

In the instant case, there has been no agreement as to how the reasonable attorneys' fees are to be divided. Thus, the trial court on remand must divide the attorneys' fees and should take into account the factors summarized here.

IV  THE APPORTIONMENT OF THE BURDEN OF THE EXPENSES OF RECOVERY
There remains the third issue: how should the burden of the expenses of recovery, including attorneys' fees, be apportioned between the employee and the insurer? Subsection (6) directs that the expenses of recovery shall be apportioned between the parties "as their interests appear at the time of the recovery".
"[A]s their interests appear at the time of recovery" reasonably must be construed to mean, as to the insurer's interest, both the reimbursement to which the insurer is entitled for compensation theretofore made to the employee, and the ascertainable excused liability for future compensation benefits.
In many cases, including the case before us, where there is total and permanent disability or dismemberment, the incapacity of the employee is deemed to continue for a specific period of time, as *297 explained below, and the insurer's future liability is apparent at the time of recovery.
It has been argued that the apportionment of expenses in this case must be made with reference only to the amount which the insurer is to be repaid from the recovery for compensation benefits already paid or payable to the employee at the time of recovery. But this violates the clear language of the statute.
Under this approach, if an insurer was to receive $5,000 of a $100,000 recovery to cover the cost of worker's compensation benefits already paid to the employee, the insurer's share of the expenses would be 5%. No reference would be made to the insurer's interest in its reduced liability for payment of compensation benefits which would have been required in the future but for the employee's recovery, which under the statute is treated as an advance payment of those benefits. This approach would be grossly unfair and mistaken.
As noted above, in many cases, including the case before us, it is clearly apparent at the time of recovery that the interests of the parties are not represented by the amount of compensation which the insurer has paid to that point, and by the amount which is actually received by the employee at the time of recovery.
Suppose, for example, that at the time of recovery in the third-party action, a negligible amount of worker's compensation payments had been made to the employee, but the worker's compensation proceedings had resolved, as it had in this case, that there was total and permanent disability within the meaning of the Worker's Disability Compensation Act. Under MCLA 418.351; MSA *298 17.237(351),[1] a finding of total incapacity entitles the employee to a conclusive presumption that the total incapacity and the insurer's liability will continue for a period of 800 weeks. Only after this 800-week period is the question of the continuance of the total disability open once again.
If we were to read subsection (6) to mean that apportionment is to be made without regard to future compensation benefits payable to the employee, the insurer in this example, where little worker's compensation had been paid, would be burdened with a very small proportion of the expenses of recovery because "at the time of the recovery" it would have such an insignificant interest in the recovery.
This result is patently absurd and grossly unfair. At the time of recovery, it clearly appears that the insurer is going to be excused liability for payment of compensation for a period of 800 weeks or until its excused liability is equal to the entire recovery of the employee.[2] This most certainly constitutes a very substantial, in fact potentially total, interest *299 in the recovery, and yet if the insurer's share of the expenses is based on the small amount of compensation paid, it would not bear a fair part of the expenses of recovery.
Similar situations might arise under MCLA 418.361; MSA 17.237(361) and MCLA 418.321; MSA 17.237(321), where it is provided that conclusive presumptions of continuing disability for varying periods of time are in effect upon a finding of a particular type of injury. For example, where there is the loss of a leg, the disability is deemed to continue for a period of 215 weeks.
Apportionment of expenses on the basis of only what the insurer has actually paid at time of recovery is also mistaken in a case such as that before us from a practical, policy standpoint in that it lends to certain other absurd results. If the interest of the insurer, and therefore its share of the expenses, is calculated on the basis of the amount of benefits the insurer had paid the employee at the time of recovery, delay becomes the ally of the employee. The longer the period of time which passes before the time of recovery, the more benefits the insurer will have actually paid at the time of recovery, and therefore the greater the share of the expenses it will have to carry. It is very difficult to believe that the Legislature intended to create a situation where an aggrieved party would be rewarded for delaying a suit until long after the cause of the grievance, and for prolonging the course of the litigation.
Moreover, employees in virtually identical situations would have substantially different recoveries because one employee brought his suit in a court where docket congestion was particularly a problem, causing an unintentional delay in the time of recovery which will in turn increase the share of the expenses the insurer will be liable for.
*300 For all these reasons, we reject the method of apportionment of expenses which does not take into account the interest of the insurer at the time of recovery in its reduced liability for future compensation benefits.
For clarity's sake, a sample calculation of a proper apportionment of the burden of expenses follows.
Assume that the employee and the insurer successfully bring a third-party action resulting in a $200,000 recovery. Insurer, at the time of recovery, has paid to the employee $20,000 in benefits, and due to a conclusive presumption of continuing disability, appears at the time of recovery to be ultimately liable for another $20,000.
The expenses of recovery total $50,000.
First, deduct the expenses of recovery from the total recovery.


     Total Recovery                     $200,000
     Less Expenses                      - 50,000
     _______________                    ________
     Balance                            $150,000

Second, calculate the interest of the parties at the time of recovery, independent of expenses.


  Interest of the insurer:
    Reimbursement for benefits paid       $  20,000
    Excused future payment of benefits    =  20,000
                                          _________
                                       =  $  40,000
    Percentage interest at the
      time of recovery                 =  20% of $200,000
  Interest of the employee:            =  $160,000
    Percentage interest at the
      time of recovery                 =  80% of $200,000

Third, calculate the apportionment of expenses.


  Insurer's share of expenses:
    20% of $50,000                     =  $ 10,000
  Employee's share of expense:
    80% of $50,000                     =  $ 40,000

Fourth, calculation of the method of payment for insurer.
*301
Amount of benefits already paid    $ 20,000
                                  =  ________  = 50%
    Total liability of insurer       $ 40,000
The insurer may pay 50% of its share of the expenses now, and the other 50% on a weekly basis as it actually receives the benefit of the portion of the employee's recovery which serves to excuse future benefit payments. In our example, the weekly payment would come to 25% (expenses divided by the total recovery) of the benefits which the insurer would have had to pay.
Under this formula, the insurer would pay $5,000 of the expenses at the time of recovery, and pay the other $5,000 to the employee on a weekly basis to compensate him for carrying at the time of recovery the expenses of a portion of the recovery which ultimately goes to the benefit of the insurer, not the employee.[3]
In sum, the trial court in the instant case was correct in concluding that the interest of the insurer at the time of recovery must include its credit for advance payments as well as the amount of compensation already paid to the employee.
The trial court was incorrect, as was concluded by the Court of Appeals, in its failure to take into account the right of the insurer's attorney for compensation for services provided.
We affirm the Court of Appeals insofar as it remands this matter to the trial court for a hearing *302 on the value of the service of the insurer's attorney. Upon this determination, the recovery should be divided in a manner consistent with this opinion.
The Court of Appeals and the trial court are reversed in part and affirmed in part as hereinabove indicated.
No costs, neither party prevailing in full.
COLEMAN, J., concurred with WILLIAMS, J.
NOTES
[1]  MCLA 418.351; MSA 17.237(351) states in pertinent part as follows:

"The conclusive presumption of total and permanent disability shall not extend beyond 800 weeks from the date of injury and thereafter the question of permanent and total disability shall be determined in accordance with the fact, as the fact may be at that time."
[2]  It is true that the insurer is not certain to be liable for a period of 800 weeks where there is a permanent disability. If the employee dies not immediately following the injury, and the injury was the proximate cause of death, the insurer might be liable for a period of 500 weeks under MCLA 418.375; MSA 17.237(375) and MCLA 418.321; MSA 17.237(321).

However, the statute does not require certainty as to the interests of the parties. Such would be impossible to ascertain. Subsection (6) speaks of the interests of the parties as they appear at the time of recovery. Since there can be no presumption that the employee will die within the 800-week period, it clearly appears at the time of recovery that the insurance company would be liable for the payment of benefits for the 800-week period.
[3]  In all probability there would be no actual cash payment to the employee but rather the remaining credit to which the insurer would be entitled against the recovery would be reduced pro tanto before the compensation payment was charged. So for the first payment (assumed $100) 



  Credit remaining               $20,000
  Minus share of expenses             25
                                 _______
                                 $19,975
  Minus compensation                 100
                                 _______
                                 $19,875   credit remaining.

