       In the United States Court of Federal Claims
                                          No. 93-655C

                                   (E-Filed: February 4, 2016)

                                                         )
ANAHEIM GARDENS, et al.,                                 )
                                                         ) Deposition Discovery; Protective
                     Plaintiffs,                         ) Order; RCFC 26(b); RCFC
                                                         ) 26(c)(1); RCFC 30(b)(6)
v.                                                       )
                                                         )
THE UNITED STATES,                                       )
                                                         )
                     Defendant.                          )
                                                         )

Harry J. Kelly, III, Washington, D.C., for plaintiffs.

David A. Harrington, Senior Trial Counsel, with whom were Joyce R. Branda, Acting
Assistant Attorney General, Robert E. Kirschman, Jr., Director, and Franklin E. White,
Jr., Assistant Director, Commercial Litigation Branch, Civil Division, United States
Department of Justice, Washington, D.C., for defendant.

                                     OPINION and ORDER

CAMPBELL-SMITH, Chief Judge

      This is a temporary regulatory takings case. Plaintiffs are owners of low-income
housing who claim a taking of their contractual right to prepay government-insured
mortgages on their respective housing projects, and thus to terminate certain
governmental restrictions on rents and other aspects of the properties’ use. Defendant is
the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD, the
government, or defendant).

        Presently before the court is defendant’s motion for a protective order in
connection with six Rule 30(b)(6) notices issued by plaintiffs. Def.’s Mot., ECF No. 353;
see also Def.’s Reply, ECF No. 362. Plaintiffs oppose defendant’s motion, defending
their requests as necessary to satisfy their burden of proof under Penn Central Transp. Co.
v. City of New York, 438 U.S. 104 (1978). Pls.’ Resp., ECF No. 358. Each party filed
an appendix in support of their briefs. Def.’s App. (DA), ECF No. 353-1; Def.’s Supp.
App. (DSA), ECF No. 362-1; Pls.’ App. (PA), ECF No. 358-1. Defendant’s motion is
ripe for decision.

      For the reasons explained below, defendant’s motion is GRANTED-IN-PART
and DENIED-IN-PART.

I.     Background

       A.     Preservation Statutes

        Plaintiffs allege that the enactment of two federal statutes, the Emergency Low
Income Housing Preservation Act of 1987, Pub. L. No. 100-242, § 202, 101 Stat. 1877
(1988) (ELIHPA), and the Low-Income Housing Preservation and Resident
Homeownership Act of 1990, Pub. L. No. 101-625, 104 Stat. 4249 (1990) (LIHPRHA),
collectively known as the Preservation Statutes, prevented them from exercising their
contractual right to repay their mortgages upon the twentieth anniversary of the issuance
of the mortgage. Plaintiffs’ prepayment rights were later restored by a third federal
statute, the Housing Opportunity Program Extension Act of 1996 (Hope Act), Pub. L. No.
104-120, 110 Stat. 834 (1996).

        The history and purpose of the Preservation Statutes have been set forth in detail
in prior decisions by both the Federal Circuit and this court. See Cienega Gardens v.
United States (Cienega X), 503 F.3d 1266, 1270-73 (Fed. Cir. 2007); Cienega Gardens v.
United States (Cienega VIII), 331 F.3d 1319, 1324-28 (Fed. Cir. 2003); Cienega Gardens
v. United States (Cienega IV), 194 F.3d 1231, 1234-35 (Fed. Cir. 1998); Anaheim
Gardens v. United States, 107 Fed. Cl. 404, 406-08 (2012), recons. granted-in-part, 109
Fed. Cl. 33 (2013), aff’d in part, rev’d in part & remanded sub nom. Biafora v. United
States, 773 F.3d 1326 (Fed. Cir. 2014)).

       While a review of the entire history is unnecessary here, the court provides the
following brief relevant history for ease of reference:

              In 1961, Congress amended the National Housing Act to allow private
       developers to meet the needs of moderate income families. Cienega X, 503
       F.3d at 1270. Among other things, the amendment provided financial
       incentives to private developers to build low income housing. Id. These
       incentives included below-market mortgages, which permitted the owners to
       borrow 90% of the cost of the project. Id. While the term of the mortgage
       was 40 years, the contracts allowed the developer to prepay the mortgage
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       after 20 years. Id. Congress also protected the lenders against default by
       authorizing the Federal Housing Administration [FHA] to insure the
       mortgages. Id. at 1270–71. The tax laws at the time provided a number of
       tax incentives, which allowed general and limited partners to take large
       deductions in the earlier years of the investment. Id. at 1271. The highly
       leveraged nature of the investment made the tax benefits large in comparison
       to the small up-front investment. Id.

               These development programs were regulated by the Department of
       Housing and Urban Development (HUD), and the developers were required
       to sign a regulatory agreement binding them to get approval from HUD for
       certain relevant decisions, for example increases in rent. Id. The developer
       also signed a secured note and a mortgage. HUD, in turn, provided mortgage
       insurance for the investment. Id. The restrictions in the regulatory agreement
       were in effect as long as HUD insured the mortgage on the property; for
       practical purposes this meant the developers were subject to HUD regulation
       until the mortgage was paid off. Id. The twenty year prepayment option in
       the mortgage therefore gave the developers an opportunity to cast off the
       regulatory burden and convert their development to market rate housing.

               While this plan induced developers to provide low income housing,
       Congress ultimately grew worried that participants would prepay their
       mortgages and exit the program en mass. Id. at 1272. In order to avoid the
       resulting shortage of low income housing, Congress enacted ELIHPA and
       LIHPRHA. Id. The exact restrictions placed on the developers are detailed
       in, e.g., Cienega X, but the salient issue in this case is that an owner was no
       longer free to prepay the mortgage after twenty years.

CCA Assocs. v. United States, 667 F.3d 1239, 1242-43 (Fed. Cir. 2011).

       B.     Plaintiffs

       On April 30, 2013, the previously assigned judge consolidated Anaheim Gardens
v. United States, No. 93-655, and Algonquin Heights Assocs., L.P. v. United States, No.
97-582, and designated Anaheim Gardens as the lead plaintiff. Order, ECF No. 327.
Fifty-one plaintiffs are currently litigating their claims in this consolidated matter.

       By agreement of the parties, plaintiffs are proceeding to trial in subsets known as
waves. See Joint Status Report 1, ECF No. 330; Discovery Order, ECF No. 331. The
parties jointly designated six plaintiffs as the First Wave plaintiffs, and only these six

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plaintiffs are now conducting fact and expert discovery.1 Scheduling Order, ECF No.
378. The six First Wave plaintiffs are Algonquin Heights plaintiffs Buckman Gardens,
L.P. and Chauncy House Company, and Anaheim Gardens plaintiffs Cedar Gardens
Associates, Rock Creek Terrace L.P., 620 Su Casa Por Cortez, and 3740 Silverlake
Village, L.P. Joint Status Report, ECF No. 330; Notice, ECF No. 332.

       C.     Instant Discovery Dispute

       Each First Wave plaintiff issued defendant a separate Rule 30(b)(6) notice seeking
testimony on essentially the same eight requests.2 See DA001-017.

       Defendant moved for a protective order, arguing that plaintiffs’ requests were
vague, overly broad, and sought testimony about irrelevant subjects and time periods. 3
Def.’s Mot. 6-14. Defendant made specific objections to each of plaintiffs’ eight
requests, in some cases seeking to limit the request (first, seventh and eighth requests),
and in other cases seeking to strike the request in its entirety (second, third, fourth, fifth,
and sixth requests).

        Defendant also moved for a protective order seeking to limit the six First Wave
plaintiffs to deposing its Rule 30(b)(6) witness over only one seven-hour day, rather than
the six days plaintiffs sought through their six separate notices. Def.’s Mot. 5-6. The
court previously ruled on this portion of defendant’s motion, deciding that plaintiffs
could depose defendant’s Rule 30(b)(6) witness for up to three seven-hour days.

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      There may be limited exceptions in which a non-First Wave plaintiff is involved in
discovery to preserve witness testimony for trial. See Order, ECF No. 327.
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        Three requests sought testimony specific to the city in which each plaintiff’s
property was located (second, sixth and eighth requests), and three requests sought
testimony for slightly different time periods, which varied with the dates of each
plaintiff’s investment and alleged taking (sixth, seventh and eighth requests). See
DA001-017. In the second, sixth and eighth requests, plaintiffs seek testimony about the
rental markets in (1) Boston, Massachusetts, (2) Encinitas, California, (3) Rockville,
Maryland, (4) Los Angeles, California, (5) Fairfax County, Virginia, and Alexandria,
Virginia, and (6) Fresno, California. DA002, DA005, DA008, DA011, DA014 &
DA017.
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        In compliance with Rule 26(c)(1), of the Rules of the United States Court of
Federal Claims (RCFC), defendant stated it “conferred in good faith to attempt to resolve
this dispute without Court action, but such efforts have been unsuccessful.” Def.’s Mot.
1, ECF No. 353.
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Anaheim Gardens v. United States, No. 93-655, 2014 WL 4401529, at *3-6 (Fed. Cl.
Sept. 5, 2014).

        Finally, defendant asked this court to quash the deposition notice issued by First
Wave plaintiff 3740 Silverlake Village, L.P. (Silverlake Village). Def.’s Mot. 6 n.4.
Defendant argued that Silverlake Village was not a plaintiff in this matter, as explained in
its then-pending motion for summary judgment seeking the dismissal of Silverlake
Village. Id. The court denied defendant’s motion, Anaheim Gardens v. United States,
118 Fed. Cl. 669 (2014), thus mooting defendant’s request to quash the notice issued by
Silverlake Village.

II.    Legal Standard

       A.     Rule 30(b)(6) Discovery

     Either party may take discovery that is “relevant to any party’s claim or defense.”
RCFC 26(b)(1). With regard to Rule 30(b)(6) discovery,

       [i]n its notice or subpoena, a party may name as the deponent . . . a
       governmental agency . . . and must describe with reasonable particularity the
       matters for examination. The named organization must then designate one
       or more . . . persons who consent to testify on its behalf[.] . . . The persons
       designated must testify about information known or reasonably available to
       the organization.

RCFC 30(b)(6). The government agency then

       has “an affirmative duty to produce a representative who can answer
       questions that are both within the scope of the matters described in the notice
       and are ‘known or reasonably available’ to the corporation.” King v. Pratt &
       Whitney, 161 F.R.D. 475, 476 (S.D. Fla. 1995) (quoting FRCP 30(b)(6)),
       aff’d, 213 F.3d 646 (11th Cir. 2000). . . . Thus, RCFC 30(b)(6) “implicitly
       requires the designated representative to review all matters known or
       reasonably available to it in preparation for the Rule 30(b)(6) deposition.
       This interpretation is necessary in order to make the deposition a meaningful
       one and to prevent . . . a half-hearted inquiry. . . .” Heartland Surgical
       Specialty Hosp., LLC v. Midwest Div., Inc., No. 05–2164–MLB–DWB,
       2007 WL 1054279, at *3 (D. Kan. Apr. 9, 2007).



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A-G Innovations, Inc. v. United States, 82 Fed. Cl. 69, 80 (2008).4

        However, “there exists no obligation to produce [Rule 30(b)(6)] witnesses who
know every single fact surrounding a matter, only those that bear relevance or are
material to events directly underlying a dispute.” Dairyland Power Coop. v. United
States, 79 Fed. Cl. 709, 715 (2007) (citing Banks v. Office of the Senate Sergeant–at–
Arms, 241 F.R.D. 370, 373 (D.D.C. 2007); Wilson v. Lakner, 228 F.R.D. 524, 529 n.7
(D. Md. 2005)). “[T]he designated deponent must be prepared ‘to the extent that matters
are reasonably available.”’ Banks, 241 F.R.D. at 373 (quoting Wilson, 228 F.R.D. at
528).

       B.     Rule 26 Protective Order

       “A party or any person from whom discovery is sought may move for a protective
order.” RCFC 26(c)(1). If “good cause” exists, “[t]he court may . . . issue an order to
protect a party or person from annoyance, embarrassment, oppression, or undue burden
or expense.” Id.

       “[T]he party seeking the protective order bears the burden of showing good
cause.” Forest Prods. Nw., Inc. v. United States, 62 Fed. Cl. 109, 114 (2004), aff’d, 453
F.3d 1355 (Fed. Cir. 2006). “Good cause requires a showing that the discovery request is
considered likely to oppress an adversary or might otherwise impose an undue burden.”
Forest Prods. Nw., Inc., 453 F.3d at 1361. “[B]road allegations of harm, unsubstantiated
by specific examples, are insufficient to justify issuance of a protective order.” Lakeland
Ptnrs, L.L.C. v. United States, 88 Fed. Cl. 124, 133 (2009). As this court has explained,
to prevail on an objection to allegedly burdensome discovery:

       [T]he objecting party must do more than “simply intone [the] familiar litany
       that the [discovery sought is] burdensome, oppressive or overly broad.” The

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        “[I]nterpretation of the court’s rules will be guided by case law and the Advisory
Committee Notes that accompany the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.” RCFC rules
committee’s note to 2002 amendment, at 1. RCFC 26(b)(2)(C), RCFC 26(c)(1) and
RCFC 30(b)(6), all relevant to this motion, are identical to their counterparts in the
Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The court therefore relies on cases interpreting each of
these federal rules, as well as cases interpreting this court’s rules. With regard to RCFC
26(b)(1), also relevant to this motion, the court is aware that the Advisory Committee on
Civil Rules significantly amended Fed. R. Civ. P. 26(b)(1) as of December 1, 2015. Prior
to this amendment, however, RCFC 26(b)(1) was identical to its federal counterpart.
With regard to Fed. R. Civ. P. 26(b)(1), the court relies only on cases issued prior to
December 1, 2015.
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       objecting party bears the burden of demonstrating “specifically how, despite
       the broad and liberal construction afforded the federal discovery rules, each
       [request] is not relevant or how each question is overly broad, [unduly]
       burdensome or oppressive by submitting affidavits or offering evidence
       revealing the nature of the burden.”

Id. at 133 n.6 (some alterations in original) (quoting Lamoureux v. Genesis Pharmacy
Servs., Inc., 226 F.R.D. 154, 158-59 (D. Conn. 2004)).

       In deciding whether to limit discovery, a trial court should “consider ‘the totality
of the circumstances, weighing the value of the material sought against the burden of
providing it,’ and taking into account society’s interest in furthering ‘the truth seeking
function’ in the particular case before the court.” Patterson v. Avery Dennison Corp.,
281 F.3d 676, 681 (7th Cir. 2002) (quoting Rowlin v. Alabama, 200 F.R.D. 459, 461
(M.D. Ala. 2001)). Rule 26(b)(2)(C) authorizes the court to impose limits if:

       the burden or expense of the proposed discovery outweighs its likely benefit,
       considering the needs of the case, the amount in controversy, the parties’
       resources, the importance of the issues at stake in the action, and the
       importance of the discovery in resolving the issues.

RCFC 26(b)(2)(C)(iii).

        The Supreme Court has further opined that “discovery, like all matters of
procedure, has ultimate and necessary boundaries. . . . [A]s Rule 26(b) provides, . . .
limitations come into existence when the inquiry touches upon the irrelevant or
encroaches upon the recognized domains of privilege. Hickman v. Taylor, 329 U.S. 495,
507-08 (1947). Ultimately, whether to issue a protective order is subject to the broad
discretion of the trial court. Florsheim Shoe Co. v. United States, 744 F.2d 787, 797
(Fed. Cir. 1984) (“Questions of the scope and conduct of discovery are, of course,
committed to the discretion of the trial court.”). The court has a variety of options should
it find a motion for protective order is warranted, including “forbidding the disclosure or
discovery” or “forbidding inquiry into certain matters, or limiting the scope of disclosure
or discovery to certain matters.” RCFC 26(c)(1)(A), (D).

III.   Discussion

       The court considers defendant’s objections to each of First Wave plaintiffs’ eight
requests in turn.



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       A.            Plaintiffs’ First Request

       Plaintiffs seek testimony about studies prepared or commissioned by HUD, or any
other government agency, between 1970 and 1996, regarding the effects of any action—
including, but not limited to, the Preservation Statutes—by the United States to restrict
the ability of owners of HUD-financed housing properties to prepay their HUD-insured
mortgages.5 DA001, DA004, DA007, DA010, DA013 & DA016 (No. 1).

      Defendant states it knows of only three reports that satisfy this request, as below,
and will prepare its witness to answer appropriate questions about each report. See Def.’s
Mot. 8; Def.’s Reply 9.

       (1) U.S. General Accounting Office,6 GAO/RCED-94-177FS, Multifamily
       Housing, Information on Projects Eligible for Preservation Assistance (1994);
       (2) HUD Office of Inspector General, 95-BO-114-0001, Evaluation Report – HUD
       Multifamily Preservation Program (1995); and
       (3) Congressional Budget Office Staff Memorandum, Implications of the
       Prepayment Provisions in the Cranston-Gonzalez Act (1992).

Def.’s Mot. 8; Def.’s Reply 7-8, 19.

       Defendant otherwise asserts plaintiffs’ first request is “vague and breathtaking in
scope,” and is “not stated with ‘reasonable particularity.”’ Def.’s Mot. 7 (quoting RCFC
30(b)(6)). Defendant points out that the request concerns a time period of twenty-six
years, seeks information from every federal government agency, and extends beyond the
Preservation Statutes. Id. Accordingly, defendant seeks a protective order to preclude

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       Any analysis, study, summary, investigation, evaluation, or examination,
conducted, prepared or commissioned by HUD or any other Government agency, at
any time between 1970 and 1996, whether formal or informal, and whether complete
or incomplete, related to or regarding the impact(s), effect(s) and/or consequence(s) of
any action by the United States to restrict the ability of the owners of Section 22 l (d)(3)
or Section 236 housing properties to prepay the HUD-insured mortgages on their
properties, including without limitation, the provisions and terms of the Emergency
Low Income Housing Preservation Act of 1987 (“ELIHPA”) and/or the Low Income
Housing Preservation and Resident Homeownership Act of 1990 (“LIHPRHA”).
DA001, DA004, DA007, DA010, DA013 & DA016 (No. 1).
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      The United States General Accounting Office (GAO) is now known as the
Government Accountability Office.

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plaintiffs from inquiring about any report other than the three identified reports. Def.’s
Mot. 8; Def.’s Reply 9.

       1.      Twenty-Six Year Period

        Plaintiffs defend the twenty-six year period for their request by pointing out that
defendant’s own discovery requests cover the same period, Pls.’ Resp. 2-3, and that “the
entire twenty-six year period is relevant because it is directly tethered to the facts and
events at issue, and as a result, it is not unnecessarily broad or ‘breathtaking’ in scope.”
Id. at 3.

        That a time period is relevant for some requests, however, does not necessarily
mean that it is relevant for all requests. In determining a relevant time period for
plaintiffs’ first request, the task is to identify the earliest date the concerns that led to the
enactment of ELIHPA, on February 5, 1988, could have resulted in the type of study
contemplated by plaintiffs. The legislative history for ELIHPA shows that Congress
became concerned about the impact of owners exercising their prepayment rights on the
low-income housing stock as early as the mid-1980s.

       Over the past year, the Committee has had several hearings on the potential
       loss of units from the subsidized housing stock due to the prepayment of
       insured multifamily mortgages. The potential loss of units to low and
       moderate income families over the next several years could be anywhere
       from 500,000 to 1 million units.

H.R. Rep. No. 100-122(I), at 35 (1987), as reprinted in 1987 U.S.C.C.A.N. 3317, 3351;
see also CCA Assocs. v. United States, 91 Fed. Cl. 580, 587 (2010) (“In the mid-1980s,
Congress became concerned that owners of housing insured under Section 221(d)(3)
would begin to exercise their prepayment rights, thereby reducing the total number of
low-income housing units.”), aff’d in part, rev’d in part & remanded, 667 F.3d 1239 (Fed.
Cir. 2011).

        Plaintiffs provide no information to support a finding that information responsive
to their first request existed prior to the mid-1980s, and the court is aware of none. The
court finds that plaintiffs’ request is overbroad, and defendant is granted a protective
order for plaintiffs’ first request for information prior to 1982.

       2.      Every Federal Government Agency

      Plaintiffs take the position that a “common sense” interpretation of their request
would mean “the only federal agencies the Government needs to seek information from
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are those that are reasonably likely to possess relevant responsive information, and that is
most certainly not ‘every agency in the entire Federal government.’” Pls.’ Resp. 4.
Plaintiffs claim this is not the first time the government has argued that one of their
deposition topics is overly broad, relying on an unreasonable interpretation of their
deposition notice. “[T]he Government has already been admonished in this case that
discovery requests are not to be read in a vacuum and interpreted in an unreasonable
manner just so that they can be objected to as overly broad.” Pls.’ Resp. 3 (citing
Algonquin Heights v. United States, No. 97-582, 2008 WL 2019025, at *4 (Fed. Cl. Feb.
29, 2008) (order granting plaintiffs’ motion to compel additional Rule 30(b)(6)
testimony)).

       Plaintiffs misstate the issue in the Algonquin Heights ruling, which was not
whether plaintiffs’ deposition request was overly broad. In Algonquin Heights, plaintiffs
noticed a Rule 30(b)(6) deposition to include testimony about the “document retention
policies of HUD.” Algonquin Heights, 2008 WL 2019025, at *2. After defendant’s
witness, according to plaintiffs, was unprepared to answer its questions “concerning how
HUD managed the actual files of the Plaintiffs in this case, including what would be
included in those files and where they would be kept,” id., plaintiffs moved to compel
additional testimony “about [HUD’s] document retention practices and policies,” id. at
*1. In its opposition, defendant argued that plaintiffs’ attempt to compel testimony about
HUD’s document retention “practices and policies” went beyond the scope of their
deposition notice, in which they sought testimony about HUD’s document retention
“policies.” Id. at *3.

       The court was unpersuaded by defendant’s attempt to draw a distinction between
the terms practice and policy, finding that to do so “would write into RCFC 30(b)(6) a
much more stringent standard than what the rule requires,” which is “reasonable
particularity.” Id. at *4.

       Common sense dictates that it would be both counterproductive and wasteful
       for plaintiffs to inquire solely into HUD’s document retention policy without
       also intending to place that inquiry within a relevant litigation context, i.e.,
       how HUD effectuated, or did not effectuate, that policy in this case. See Pls.’
       Mot. 5 (“The fact that HUD had a policy, however, does not explain how
       HUD followed-or did not follow-that policy in practice.”).

Id. Thus the Algonquin Heights court refused to permit defendant to rely on its narrow
interpretation of plaintiffs’ notice, an interpretation the court found at odds with common
sense.



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       In this matter, plaintiffs argue that defendant is required to use its common sense
to narrow the boundaries of their first request, as “the outer limits of the First subject
matter are clear if common sense is used.” Pls.’ Resp. 4. The Algonquin Heights ruling
provides plaintiffs with no support, as nothing in that ruling suggests that the testifying
party (defendant) has the burden of using its “common sense” to determine the “outer
limits” of the examining party’s (plaintiffs) notice.

        Rather, the burden of defining its deposition topics with reasonable particularity
rests with plaintiffs, not defendant. See, e.g., 8A Charles Alan Wright et al., Federal
Practice & Procedure § 2103, Westlaw (database updated Apr. 2015) (footnote omitted)
(stating that if “the party seeking [Rule 30(b)(6) deposition] discovery has [failed to]
adequately designate[] the subjects on which it wants information . . ., the corporate party
may seek relief from the court.”); see also Whiting v. Hogan, No. 12-cv-8039, 2013 WL
1047012, at *11 (D. Ariz. Mar. 14, 2013) (“The burden is on . . . the party requesting the
deposition[] to satisfy the ‘reasonable particularity’ standard of Rule 30(b)(6).”)

       Defendant’s obligation is to prepare its witness to “testify about information
known or reasonably available to the organization.” RCFC 30(b)(6) (emphasis added).
In effect, plaintiffs have acknowledged their first request goes beyond this standard, and
is overbroad, as they have indicated their willingness to eliminate a few federal agencies
from their first request.

       Fundamentally, the only federal agencies the Government needs to seek
       information from are those that are reasonably likely to possess relevant
       responsive information, and that is most certainly not “every agency in the
       entire Federal government.” If the Government requires assistance to figure
       it out, the First Wave Plaintiffs are comfortable concluding that it is unlikely
       that the Department of Transportation, Department of Defense, Department
       of Health and Human Services, or other like agencies will possess any
       relevant responsive information, and so those agencies are not captured by
       the scope of the subject matter.

Pls.’ Resp. 4.

        The court finds that plaintiffs’ notice for testimony about reports from “any other
Government agency” is overbroad. Defendant’s request for a protective order as to the
federal agencies from which it must seek information is granted-in-part. Defendant may
limit its search to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, and any of
its predecessors, the U.S. Government Accountability Office, and any of its predecessors,
and the Congressional Budget Office.

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       3.     Preservation Statutes

       Plaintiffs posit that the ideas resulting in the Preservation Statutes preceded their
enactment, and that such information, if it exists, is relevant. Pls.’ Resp. 5. “If in fact the
Government did study, analyze, investigate or evaluate another means of taking away the
First Wave Plaintiffs’ prepayment rights other than by having Congress enact ELIHPA
and LIHPRHA, then that information is encompassed within the scope of the First subject
matter.” Id. Defendant offered no reply to plaintiffs’ explanation.

        The court finds that plaintiffs are correct, that such information would be relevant
to plaintiffs’ first request, and this part of plaintiffs’ first request is not overbroad.
Defendant’s request for a protective order is denied to the extent it seeks to limit its
inquiry to the Preservation Statutes.

      Defendant’s motion for a protective order for plaintiffs’ first request is
GRANTED-IN-PART and DENIED-IN-PART. Defendant may limit its search to
information from 1982 to 1996 from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban
Development, and any of its predecessors, the U.S. Government Accountability Office,
and any of its predecessors, and the Congressional Budget Office. Defendant’s motion is
otherwise denied.

       B.            Plaintiffs’ Second Request

       Plaintiffs seek testimony about studies prepared by HUD, or any other government
agency, between 1970 and 1996, regarding the effects of ELIHPA or LIHPRHA on the
rental market in which the property of each First Wave plaintiff is located. 7 DA001-002,
DA004-5, DA007-8, DA010-11, DA013-14 & DA016-17.

         Defendant states that plaintiffs have not specified any report, Def.’s Mot. 12, and
that it “is unaware of any such report,” Def.’s Reply 14. Defendant “seeks a protective
order stating that it need not designate a witness to address the second matter for
examination;” defendant reasons that when an organization possesses no knowledge as to

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       “Any analysis, study, summary, investigation, evaluation, or examination,
conducted, prepared or commissioned by HUD or any other Government agency, at
any time between 1970 and 1996, whether formal or informal, and whether complete or
incomplete, related to or regarding the impact(s), effect(s) and/or consequence(s) of the
provisions and terms of ELIHPA and/or LIHPRHA on the rental markets in Boston,
Massachusetts.” DA001-002, DA004-5, DA007-8, DA010-11, DA013-14 & DA016-17.
(No. 2).

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matters listed in the notice and is unable to prepare a witness, it has no duty to proffer a
witness.8 Def.’s Mot. 13 (citing Barron v. Caterpillar, Inc., 168 F.R.D. 175, 177-78 (E.D.
Pa. 1996); 7 Moore’s Federal Practice § 30.25[3] (2014)).

       Plaintiffs respond that they expect the government’s witness to testify “about the
existence or lack thereof of the requested reports, analyses, studies, etc.” Pls.’ Resp. 8.

       Rule 26(b) provides that any party “may obtain discovery regarding any
nonprivileged matter that is relevant to any party’s claim or defense—including the
existence, description, nature, custody, condition, and location of any documents or other
tangible things and the identity and location of persons who know of any discoverable
matter.” RCFC 26(b) (emphasis added). “A witness ordinarily cannot escape
examination by denying knowledge of any relevant facts, since the party seeking to take
the deposition is entitled to test the witness’s lack of knowledge.” 8A Charles Alan
Wright et al., Federal Practice & Procedure § 2037, Westlaw (database updated Apr.
2015); cf. Iris Corp. Berhad v. United States, 84 Fed. Cl. 489, 494 (2008) (declining to
issue protective order for a Rule 30(b)(6) deposition, despite the testifying party’s
argument that it had already produced all available evidence, as “[p]arties to litigation do
not have to accept their opponent’s statement that all relevant evidence has been
produced[,] . . . they are entitled to test this assertion in questioning witnesses during
depositions.”)

        Nor does defendant’s cited authority provide it with support, as the court in Barron
addressed an inapposite point—that is, whether a testifying party must provide a second
Rule 30(b)(6) witness when the examining party found the testimony of the first witness
to be deficient. See Barron, 168 F.R.D. at 177. While the cited portion of Moore’s
Federal Practice does state that “if an organization truly does not possess knowledge as to
matters listed in the notice, and is unable to prepare a designee, it has no duty to make a
designation under Rule 30(b)(6),’” the case law in support of this statement shows that
this treatise similarly considers the testifying party’s duty when the examining party is
dissatisfied with its Rule 30(b)(6) witness’s testimony. 7 Moore’s Federal Practice §
30.25[3] n.15 (2014) (citing Barron, 168 F.R.D. at 177-78; Dravo Corp. v. Liberty Mut.
Ins. Co., 164 F.R.D. 70, 75-76 (D. Neb. 1995) (considering whether a testifying party
must designate a second Rule 30(b)(6) witness for additional testimony when the
examining party was dissatisfied)).


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       Defendant also notes that four of the six First Wave plaintiffs did not allege a
taking claim under ELIHPA; thus it argues these four plaintiffs are not entitled to
discovery on ELIHPA. See Def.’s Mot. 12 n.10. As discussed later, this argument is
unpersuasive. See infra Part III.D.2 (fourth and fifth requests).
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        At this point, the court would ordinarily deny defendant’s request for a protective
order for plaintiffs’ second request. But, the court observes that plaintiffs’ second request
includes the same two parameters for which the court granted defendant a protective
order as to plaintiffs’ first request—the time period (1970 to 1996) and the information
source (any other Government agency). Notwithstanding defendant’s position that it is
aware of no responsive reports, there is no purpose served in protecting defendant from
these overbroad parameters in one request, but not in another. And “[i]t is ‘axiomatic
that a trial court has broad discretion to fashion discovery orders[.]”’ AG-Innovations,
Inc., 82 Fed. Cl. at 76 (quoting White Mountain Apache Tribe of Ariz. v. United States, 4
Cl. Ct. 575, 583 (1984)).

        As plaintiffs seek studies about the “impact(s), effect(s) and/or consequence(s) of
the provisions and terms of ELIHPA and/or LIHPRHA,” see supra note 7, the enactment
of ELIHPA on February 5, 1988 would be the earliest possible date of such a study. For
the reasons discussed in plaintiffs’ first request, see supra Part III.A.2, plaintiffs’ second
request is limited to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, and any of
its predecessors, the U.S. Government Accountability Office, and any of its predecessors,
and the Congressional Budget Office.

      Defendant’s motion for a protective order for plaintiffs’ second request is
GRANTED-IN-PART and DENIED-IN-PART. Defendant may limit its search to
information from 1988 to 1996 from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban
Development, and any of its predecessors, the U.S. Government Accountability Office,
and any of its predecessors, and the Congressional Budget Office. Defendant’s motion is
otherwise denied.

       C.     Plaintiffs’ Third Request

       Plaintiffs seek testimony regarding any oral or written communication, between
HUD and the owners of each property, directly or indirectly related to the development
or construction of their property.9 DA002, DA005, DA008, DA011, DA014 & DA017.




9
     “Any communications, oral or written, between HUD (or its predecessor agency
the Federal Housing Administration (“FHA”)) and the owner(s) (or the owner’s
representative(s) or agent(s)) of [the property], directly or indirectly, related to the
development and/or construction of the property.” DA002, DA005, DA008, DA011,
DA014 & DA017.

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       1.     Oral Communications

        Defendant states that it is “unaware of any particular verbal communications
between HUD and plaintiffs regarding the development or construction of the plaintiffs’
respective multi-family housing projects.” Def.’s Mot. 9 n.7. Defendant takes the
position that it is not obligated to “designate a witness to testify about information that is
not reasonably available,” which would include “verbal discussions that took place . . .
more than forty years ago,” if at all, with employees who “retired long ago.” Def.’s Mot.
9 (citing Barron, 168 F.R.D. at 177-78). As previously discussed in the second request,
Barron provides defendant with no support for this position. See supra Part III.B.

       Plaintiffs respond that defendant’s inability to identify particular verbal
communications is “not a sufficient basis” for a protective order, and that defendant has a
duty to contact its former employees. Pls.’ Resp. 10 (citing QBE Ins. Corp. v. Jorda
Enters., 277 F.R.D. 676, 689 (S.D. Fla. 2012) (“[A] corporation with no current
knowledgeable employees must prepare its designees by [conducting] . . . if necessary,
interviews of former employees or others with knowledge.”)).

       Defendant replies that the “[f]ederal employees involved during the development
phase retired decades ago and are unavailable.” Def.’s Reply 9. Defendant repeats that it
is unaware of any particular verbal communications and points to an interrogatory
response in which it stated as much. Def.’s Reply 9 (citing DSA12 (Def.’s Resp.
Interrog. No. 12)).

        Defendant’s interrogatory response notwithstanding, plaintiff is entitled to
question defendant’s witness about any matter “relevant to any party’s claim or
defense—including . . . the identity and location of persons who know of any
discoverable matter.” RCFC 26(b)(1). Plaintiffs correctly rely on QBE Insurance
for defendant’s duty to prepare its 30(b)(6) witness by attempting, if necessary, to
interview knowledgeable former employees. See Pls.’ Resp. 10. However, the court in
QBE Insurance also said that a corporation “must perform a reasonable inquiry for
information that is reasonably available to it,” QBE Ins. Corp., 277 F.R.D. at 689, and
that a “corporation cannot be faulted for not interviewing individuals who refuse to speak
with it,” id. at 691.

       Defendant’s motion for a protective order for the third request is denied with
respect to oral communications.




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       2.     Written Communications

        The dispute regarding written communications centers on a set of documents
defendant produced to each First Wave plaintiff—known as the Washington Docket—
that relates to the construction and development of each project. Def.’s Mot. 9.
Defendant acknowledges that the documents contained therein are relevant, as they
“could conceivably relate to the investment-backed expectations prong of Penn Central.”
Id. Defendant describes each of the six Washington Dockets as “voluminous,” and
because of this, it wants plaintiffs to identify those documents about which plaintiffs seek
to question defendant’s Rule 30(b)(6) witness. Id.

       Plaintiffs agree that the relevant documents are voluminous. “[T]here are six First
Wave plaintiffs, which means that, collectively, there is a large volume of documents
required to prepare a witness for each individual Plaintiff’s case . . . .” Pls.’ Resp. 12.
Plaintiffs nonetheless refuse to identify specific documents within each Washington
Docket, leading defendant to argue that plaintiffs have “failed to provide reasonable
specificity about the matters for examination.” Def.’s Mot. 10.

       Plaintiffs suggest that if they are forced to specify particular documents in each
Washington Docket, they will be unable to ask defendant about the existence of relevant
written communications other than those included in each Washington Docket.

       First Wave Plaintiffs should be allowed to confirm under oath what
       communications took place. If under oath, the Government’s deponent
       identifies other communications beyond what is in the Washington Dockets,
       those other communications are also relevant subject matters for discussions.
       The wrong approach would be to grant a protective order to prevent the First
       Wave Plaintiffs from confirming the extent of those communications, or [to]
       require them, as a precondition, to identify a specific list of documents.

Pls.’ Resp. 12 n.3.

       Plaintiffs are correct that they are entitled to ask defendant about the existence of
written communications. See RCFC 26(b)(1) (“Parties may obtain discovery regarding
any nonprivileged matter that is relevant to any party’s claim or defense—including the
existence, description, nature, custody, condition, and location of any documents . . . .”)
(emphasis added). Plaintiffs do not explain, however, how identifying documents within
each Washington Docket would prevent them from asking defendant’s witness about the
existence of other written communications, and the court is aware of no reason why this
would be so.

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        Plaintiffs rely on Magnesium Corporation of America for the proposition that a
protective order is not justified merely because a Rule 30(b)(6) witness is called upon to
testify about a large volume of documents, as defendant’s witness will be in this case.
Pls.’ Resp. 12 (citing United States v. Magnesium Corp. of Am., No. 2:01-cv-40, 2006
WL 6924985, at *4 (D. Utah Nov. 27, 2006) (order granting Magnesium’s motion to
compel designation of Rule 30(b)(6) witnesses)).

        Magnesium Corporation sought to depose the United States Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) about three subject matters, including the “EPA’s evaluation of
ecological and human risk at the Rowley[, Utah] facility and similar sites elsewhere, and
facts pertaining to EPA’s practices regarding remediation and corrective action at the
Rowley facility and similar other sites.” Magnesium Corp., 2006 WL 6924985, at *1
(emphasis added). The EPA refused to designate a witness, claiming that the notices
were not stated with reasonable particularity, as the EPA had thousands of environmental
sites nationwide, and it was unable to designate a witness unless Magnesium Corporation
specified the sites for which it sought information. Id. at *2.

        The district court found the EPA’s objection unpersuasive, pointing both to the
plain text of the notices and a limitation to which Magnesium Corporation agreed during
briefing. Id. at *3. As the court saw it, “more than half of the subjects upon which
[Magnesium] seeks information pertain only to the Rowley, Utah facility” and with
regard to information for “other sites,” Magnesium sought only “those risk assessments
that were relied upon as a substantial factor in corrective or remedial action decisions,”
for which the court found the EPA should be able to identify a witness. Id. As neither
the text of the First Wave plaintiffs’ notice—nor plaintiffs’ briefing on the motion for
protective order—provides the particularity found in the Magnesium Corporation notice,
this case does not support plaintiffs’ position.

       The court finds more persuasive here the reasoning of a different district court
called upon to decide whether Rule 30(b)(6) deposition topics were stated with
reasonable particularity.

       Some of the requested categories cover a large amount of information that
       may be irrelevant to Plaintiffs’ [the examining party’s] claims. The
       categories “company policies and procedures,” “company employee
       retention process,” “employer handbooks”, “employment manuals” are
       overbroad as they are not limited to areas relevant to this personal injury
       matter. Although the categories of “employee specific employment file” and
       “any file materials” are limited to Defendant Dana Hogan, there may be
       numerous records contained therein. The inquiry into Hogan’s employment
       file should be further limited to the relevant topics in this case. The burden
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      is on Plaintiffs, as the party requesting the deposition, to satisfy the
      “reasonable particularity” standard of Rule 30(b)(6). Without further
      clarification, Defendants cannot reasonably designate and prepare a
      corporate representative to testify on their behalf regarding these broad lines
      of inquiry.

Whiting, 2013 WL 1047012, at *11 (emphasis added) (order amending plaintiff’s Rule
30(b)(6) deposition notice and granting motion to compel deposition). Similarly, the
documents at issue in First Wave plaintiffs’ deposition of defendant are “voluminous,”
and as they “relate[] to the construction and development of each project,” they will
cover numerous topics that are not relevant to plaintiffs’ investment-backed expectations.

      The court also considers the recommendation of the Advisory Committee on Civil
Rules on the factors that weigh in favor of permitting extended time for a deposition.
The court previously granted plaintiffs an extended period in which to depose defendant’s
Rule 30(b)(6) witness, over the objection of defendant. See Anaheim Gardens, 2014 WL
4401529, at *7. According to the Advisory Committee,

      [p]arties considering extending the time for a deposition--and courts asked to
      order an extension--might consider a variety of factors. . . . If the examination
      will cover events occurring over a long period of time, that may justify
      allowing additional time. In cases in which the witness will be questioned
      about numerous or lengthy documents, it is often desirable for the
      interrogating party to send copies of the documents to the witness sufficiently
      in advance of the deposition so that the witness can become familiar with
      them.

Fed. R. Civ. P. 30(d) advisory committee’s note to 2000 amendment (emphasis added).

       The court finds it would be an undue burden, in terms of time and expense, for
defendant to prepare a witness about a large number of documents that will be of no
interest to plaintiffs. Defendant’s motion for a protective order for plaintiffs’ third
request is GRANTED-IN-PART and DENIED-IN-PART. Plaintiffs are directed to
identify those documents within each of the six Washington Dockets about which it
wishes to question defendant’s Rule 30(b)(6) witness. Defendant’s motion is otherwise
denied.

       The court notes that defendant attempts to take the position that it will limit
preparation of its witness to “authenticat[ing] documents in the Washington Dockets and
to answer[ing] basic questions about those documents.” Def.’s Mot. 9. Plaintiffs are

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correct that defendant may not limit itself solely to authenticating documents. Pls.’ Resp.
12-13 (citing Wilson, 228 F.R.D. at 528).

       D.            Plaintiffs’ Fourth and Fifth Requests

        Plaintiffs seek testimony regarding any oral or written communication, between
HUD and the owners of the property, related to the mortgage—including, but not limited
to—the right to prepay the mortgage without HUD’s consent (fourth request10), and the
impact on plaintiffs of the provisions in the Preservation Statutes that restricted each
plaintiff’s ability to prepay the mortgage without HUD’s consent (fifth request11).
DA002, DA005, DA008, DA011, DA014 & DA017.

         Defendant seeks a protective order “precluding the fourth and fifth matters for
examination” for two reasons. Def.’s Mot. 13-14. First, defendant objects that “plaintiffs
seek testimony about the effect of the Preservation Statutes on the contractual right to
prepay their respective mortgages,” a question settled in February 2013 when the judge
previously assigned to this case ruled that plaintiffs’ claims were ripe, because it was
futile for plaintiffs to seek permission to prepay their mortgages. Id. at 13 (citing
Anaheim Gardens v. United States, 109 Fed. Cl. 33 (2013). Defendant argues that re-
litigation of a settled issue is precluded under the law of the case doctrine, and any
discovery on this issue would be unduly burdensome. Def.’s Reply 15.

       Second, defendant points out that the four Anaheim Gardens First Wave plaintiffs
brought their claims under LIHPRHA only. Def.’s Mot. 13-14. Thus defendant seeks a
protective order to preclude those plaintiffs from seeking testimony about the effect of
ELIHPA on them. Id.



10
        “Any communications, oral or written, between HUD (or its predecessor agency
FHA) and the owner(s) ((or the owner’s representative(s) or agent(s)) of [the
property] related to the terms of the mortgage and mortgage note, including but not
limited to, the right to prepay the mortgage without HUD’s consent after [the date of
the alleged taking].” DA002, DA005, DA008, DA011, DA014 & DA017 (No. 4).
11
        “The impact(s), effect(s) or consequence(s) on the Plaintiff of the
provisions and terms of ELIHPA and/or LIHPRHA that restricted the ability of
the Plaintiff to prepay the mortgage on [the property] without HUD’s consent
after [the date of the alleged taking].” DA002, DA005, DA008, DA011, DA014
& DA017 (No. 5).

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       1.     Plaintiffs’ Right to Prepay Their Mortgages

       Plaintiffs acknowledge that both requests “involve” their prepayment rights, but
dispute “that the subject matter [of either request] is solely and exclusively related to
ripeness.” Pls.’ Resp. 13-14.

        Defendant replies that “[p]laintiffs’ discovery is not objectionable because it
relates to ripeness; it is objectionable because the viability of a request to prepay under
the Preservation Statues was determined by the Court during the ripeness phase.” Def.’s
Reply 15 (citing Anaheim Gardens, 109 Fed. Cl. 33).

        Defendant is correct that neither party could re-litigate previously settled issues,
including the ripeness of plaintiffs’ claims. “The law of the case doctrine ‘posits that
when a court decides upon a rule of law, that decision should continue to govern the same
issues in subsequent stages in the same case.”’ Sacramento Mun. Utility Dist. v. United
States, 566 F. App’x 985, 995 (Fed. Cir. 2014) (citing Christianson v. Colt Indus.
Operating Corp., 486 U.S. 800, 815-16 (1988)). The court agrees that testimony about
the viability of a request to prepay under the Preservation Statues is unnecessary in the
merits phase of this litigation, and thus is unduly burdensome.

       Defendant’s objection, however, assumes that whether plaintiffs could prepay
their mortgages is the only question that falls within their fourth and fifth requests.
Considering the text of plaintiffs’ requests, it is not apparent to the court that plaintiffs
seek such testimony. Nor is it clear why plaintiffs would do so, as they were the
prevailing party on the ripeness issue. See Anaheim Gardens, 109 Fed. Cl. at 39
(“Plaintiffs’ motion for summary judgment on ripeness is granted . . . .”).

       The court does not read plaintiffs’ requests as narrowly as defendant.

       2.     ELIHPA Discovery for Four First Wave Plaintiffs

       Defendant objects to discovery about ELIHPA as irrelevant, because plaintiffs
have no ELIHPA claim. Def.’s Mot. 13. By so objecting, defendant effectively takes the
position that it is impossible for discovery about ELIHPA to be relevant to plaintiffs’
LIHPRHA claims.

       Plaintiffs disagree, characterizing LIHPRHA as the “successor statute to ELIHPA,
and not a separate, unrelated replacement statute.” Pls.’ Resp. 18. Further, plaintiffs
point out that their discovery rights are not limited by defendant’s view of a legal
argument or theory, and defendant may not “use its theory of a legal issue to block
relevant discovery.” Id. at 20.
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        In reply, defendant emphasizes that “ELIHPA and LIHPRHA are distinct statutes[,
and] taking claims based on ELIHPA and LIHPRHA are distinct.” Def.’s Reply 18
(citing Cienega X, 503 F.3d at 1279). The portion of Cienega X on which defendant
relies is provided below.

               [W]e consider whether ELIHPA constituted a taking. The owners do
       not separately argue that ELIHPA constitutes a taking, and there is no basis
       for treating ELIHPA and LIHPRHA the same. ELIHPA was a temporary
       restriction that was enacted on February 5, 1988, and was only in effect until
       LIHPRHA was enacted on November 28, 1990. None of the owners’ twenty-
       year prepayment deadlines expired during the period that ELIHPA was in
       effect, and the owners that entered into use agreements all signed the
       agreements well after LIHPRHA was enacted. There has been no showing
       that ELIHPA restricted the plaintiff owners’ freedom of action in any
       meaningful way. . . . Accordingly, we find that ELIHPA did not effectuate a
       taking with respect to these owners.

Cienega X, 503 F.3d at 1279 (emphasis added) (footnote omitted). The court does not
read the Cienega X decision that no taking occurred to limit discovery in the way
defendant urges.

        It is not the case that “a fact must be alleged in a pleading for a party to be entitled
to discovery of information concerning that fact. [Rather,] that . . . fact must be germane
to a specific claim or defense asserted in the pleadings for information concerning it to be
a proper subject of discovery.” AG-Innovations, Inc., 82 Fed. Cl. at 77 (quoting 6 James
Wm. Moore et al., Moore’s Federal Practice ¶ 26.41 (3d ed. 2008)12). Nothing in
defendant’s argument supports a finding that discovery about ELIHPA is irrelevant to
plaintiffs’ LIHPRHA claims.

      Defendant has failed to show good cause for a protective order. Defendant’s
motion for a protective order for the fourth and fifth requests is DENIED.




12
       The quoted material now appears in 6 James Wm. Moore et al., Moore’s Federal
Practice ¶ 26.42[1] (3d ed. 2015).

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        E.     Plaintiffs’ Sixth Request

       Plaintiffs seek testimony about eleven identified categories of information about
the rental market13 in which each property is located, for a time period ranging from
twenty-three to twenty-six years.14 DA002, DA005, DA008, DA011, DA014 & DA017.

       For both the low to moderate income rental housing and conventional market
rental housing markets, plaintiffs seek testimony about:

        (1)    supply and demand;
        (2)    vacancy rates;
        (3)    quality of the rental units;
        (4)    forecasted, planned, expected or actual development of rental units;
        (5)    the market value of rental housing units;
        (6)    the type and mix of available residential rental housing.
        (7)    forecasted, planned, expected or actual growth of businesses;
        (8)    market trends, including economic, population, employment, and
               development trends;
        (9)    unemployment rates;
        (10)   proximity of retail stores and businesses within 10 miles of the property;
               and

13
      The terms rental housing market, geographic area, geographic location or
geographic market are used interchangeably.
14
      Plaintiffs’ request for Chauncy House, owned by First Wave plaintiff Chauncy
House Company, is included below in its entirety.

     The low to moderate income housing rental market and the conventional rental
     market in Boston, Massachusetts from 1973 through 1996, including but not
     limited to, the following types of information: the supply of and demand for low
     to moderate income housing and conventional market rental units, vacancy rates
     for and the quality of both types of rentals, all forecasted, planned, expected, or
     actual development of low to moderate income housing and conventional units,
     the market value of residential rental housing units, the type and mix of available
     residential rental housing, all forecasted, planned, expected or actual growth of
     business(es), market trends (economic, population, employment, and
     development), unemployment rates, the proximity of retail stores and businesses
     within 10 miles of Chauncy House, and access to public transportation.

DA002 (No. 6) (emphasis added).
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       (11)   access to public transportation.

Id.

        Defendant objects that the sixth request is excessively broad, to the point of being
“staggering and unbounded.” Def.’s Mot. 10-11. No part of plaintiffs’ request, argues
defendant, bears on the economic impact of either Preservation Statute “on plaintiffs’
properties at the time of the alleged takings in the 1990s, or on any other issue relevant to
the first wave plaintiffs’ claims.” Id. at 11. Defendant seeks a protective order striking
the sixth request from plaintiffs’ deposition notices. Id.

        Plaintiffs argue that the testimony they seek is relevant to the Penn Central
investment-backed expectations prong, which requires them to show that their
expectations were “objectively reasonable.” Pls.’ Resp. 15. To satisfy this burden,
plaintiffs assert they must provide the court with

       [d]etailed facts about the geographic market where the properties were
       located when they were developed or purchased, as compared to the markets
       years later, when prepayment would have been possible but for ELIHPA and
       LIHPRHA, [because such facts] are necessary to meet the Plaintiffs’ burden
       under Penn Central. Specifically, facts such as the rents charged, the actual
       and potential for growth in the area, increases in population, the local job
       market, surrounding commercial development, and the desirability of living
       in the area, as evidenced in part by vacancy rates, all directly bear on the
       reasonableness of the Plaintiffs’ expectations related to their investments.

Id. (emphasis added).

        In effect, plaintiffs take the position that satisfying the Penn Central investment-
backed expectations prong requires a showing that as reexamined at the time of the
alleged taking, their early investment-backed expectations were accurate. Stated another
way, if plaintiffs based their investment on an expectation that the geographic location of
their property would prosper and result in an increase in property value, then plaintiffs
must show that the expected growth did occur.15 Plaintiffs, however, provide no
authority for this position, and the court is aware of none.


15
        As discussed later, this was the investment strategy pursued by the plaintiff in
CCA Associates. See CCA Assocs. v. United States, 91 Fed. Cl. 580, 609-10 (2010),
aff’d in part, rev’d in part & remanded, 667 F.3d 1239 (Fed. Cir. 2011).

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       While plaintiffs are correct that certain evidence about the location and character16
of a property may be relevant to proving that their expectations at the time of investment
were objectively reasonable, it is clear that evidence collected years after plaintiffs’
investment—even if it shows that plaintiffs’ expectations turned out to be correct—does
not satisfy plaintiffs’ legal burden. As the Federal Circuit has observed:

       The Court of Federal Claims explained that “factors associated with the
       location and character of projects strongly influenced the reasonable
       expectation of the owners, judged on an objective and not a subjective basis.”
       CCA, 91 Fed. Cl. at 609. While this may be true, the only objective evidence
       of the industry’s investment backed expectations is a quote from a 1972
       guide17 which indicated that a project located “in a growing suburban or
       exurban area, . . . may increase in value over the years, [and create]
       substantial residual profits to the investors upon sale or other disposition.”
       Id. (quotations and citations omitted, emphasis added).

CCA Assocs., 667 F.3d at 1247-48 (emphasis added).

        In accepting only the 1972 guide as objective evidence of the industry’s
investment-backed expectations,18 the Federal Circuit necessarily rejected the remainder
of the evidence on which the trial court relied in its finding that CCA Associates carried
its burden for the investment-backed expectations prong. In relevant part, the trial court’s
consideration of the evidence is included below.

       [I]n the instance of Chateau Cleary, the potential returns very much depended
       on its geographical location. “[T]he Norman Brothers chose . . . to invest in
       a property in West Metairie, [Louisiana] then considered to be in the path of
       future development in the New Orleans area and an emerging middle-class
       neighborhood.” CCA Assocs., 75 Fed. Cl. at 192. The reasonableness of

16
       Location has been defined as the property’s development area, and its character as
including the quality of construction and type of amenities provided. See CCA Assocs.,
91 Fed. Cl. at 608 (citing testimony of the government’s tax accounting expert).
17
      Charles L. Edson & Bruce S. Lane, Bureau of National Affairs, Inc., A Practical
Guide to Low– and Moderate–Income Housing 11:8 (student ed. 1972) (“1972 guide”).
18
       While the Federal Circuit did find that the 1972 guide provided objective
evidence, it also found that this evidence was insufficient to carry plaintiff’s burden, as
the discussion was hypothetical, rather than specific to the location of CCA Associates’
property. See CCA Assocs. v. United States, 667 F.3d 1239, 1247-48 (Fed. Cir. 2011).
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       this projection was confirmed by the development of West Metairie, as
       evident from a site visit in 2006. Id. at 193. . . .

       . . . In short, factors associated with the location and character of projects
       strongly influenced the reasonable expectations of the owners, judged on an
       objective and not a subjective basis.

              ....

       [A] 1972 guide to low– and moderate-income housing stated that “[o]ne of
       the principal benefits of ownership of a federally assisted housing project is
       the tax shelter that it generates.” Edson & Lane, at 11:6. Yet, in a section
       summarizing the advantages of obtaining a limited partnership interest in
       federally assisted projects, the guide also states, “[w]here a project is located
       in a growing suburban or exurban area, it may increase in value over the
       years, thus creating substantial residual profits to the investors upon sale or
       other disposition.” Id. at 11:8. CCA’s Chateau Cleary project falls into this
       latter category where the prospect of long-term appreciation was the chief
       incentive and thus the prepayment right was critically important.

              ....

       . . . CCA had a long-term strategy based on Chateau Cleary’s location. CCA
       invested in a property they considered to be “located in a growing suburban
       or exurban area” that they hoped would “increase in value over the years”
       and “creat[e] substantial residual profits . . . upon sale or other disposition.”
       Edson & Lane, at 11:8. Subsequent events have born[e] out CCA’s
       investment strategy, as growth has come to the area. Chateau Cleary was
       recently appraised at approximately $5 million. 2009 Tr. 46:1–12 (Norman).

CCA Assocs., 91 Fed. Cl. at 609-10 (emphasis added).

       The trial court concluded that “CCA had an objectively reasonable, investment-
backed expectation with respect to the right to prepay.” Id. at 610. The Federal Circuit
found that the trial court “erred by holding [that] this factor weighed in favor of a taking,”
as the evidence “fail[ed] to demonstrate that CCA’s investment-backed expectations were
objectively reasonable in light of industry practice as a whole, as required by Cienega X.”
CCA Associates, 667 F.3d at 1248. The Federal Circuit thus rejected as objective
evidence of the industry’s investment-backed expectations both the confirmed
development in the West Metairie area and the value of Chateau Cleary at the time of the
trial.
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        The Federal Circuit’s rejection of evidence that was available in 2006, long after
CCA Associates’ initial investment in 1971, is consistent with the settled authority that
plaintiffs must establish that their expectations were reasonable at the time of investment.
“As with the other [Penn Central] factors, the burden is on the owners to establish a
reasonable investment-backed expectation in the property at the time it made the
investment.” Cienega X, 503 F.3d at 1288 (emphasis added) (citing Forest Props., Inc. v.
United States, 177 F.3d 1360, 1367 (Fed. Cir. 1999)). “The point in time when the
[reasonable investment-backed expectations] analysis is conducted is the time at which
the complaining party entered into the activity that triggered the obligation,
Commonwealth Edison Co. v. United States, 271 F.3d 1327, 1350 (Fed. Cir. 2001) (en
banc)), specifically when the [owners] entered the [HUD] programs.” Chancellor Manor
v. United States, 331 F.3d 891, 904 (Fed. Cir. 2003). “Cienega X indicates that
contemporaneous documents, such as prospectuses, may help prove the existence of
objectively reasonable investment strategies. Cienega X, however, does not require the
use of prospectuses, and other kinds of evidence may be equally enlightening.” CCA
Associates, 667 F.3d at 1248 n.4 (emphasis added) (citing Cienega X, 503 F.3d at 1290-
91).

       Having closely reviewed the governing authority, the court concludes that with
regard to the investment-backed expectations prong, plaintiffs’ position that they must
provide information about the geographic market in which their properties are located at
the time of the alleged taking—rather than at the time of the initial investment—is based
on a misreading of the pertinent cases.

        With regard to the economic impact prong of the Penn Central test, plaintiffs
assert, without further discussion, that “testimony about the markets where the properties
are located affects . . . th[is] . . . prong.” Pls.’ Resp. 14. The Federal Circuit, however,
has identified at least two ways to evaluate economic impact.

       First, a comparison could be made between the market value of the property
       with and without the restrictions on the date that the restriction began (the
       change in value approach). The other approach is to compare the lost net
       income due to the restriction (discounted to present value at the date the
       restriction was imposed) with the total net income without the restriction over
       the entire useful life of the property (again discounted to present value).
       Neither approach appears to be inherently better than the other, and on
       remand the Court of Federal Claims should consider both as well as any other
       possible approaches that determine the economic impact of the regulation on
       the value of the property as a whole.

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Cienega X, 503 F.3d at 1282.

       The relevance of plaintiffs’ sixth request to the economic impact prong is not
apparent on its face, and the party seeking discovery bears the burden of explanation.
See, e.g., In re Jemsek Clinic, P.A., Nos. 06-31766, 06-31986, 2013 WL 3994666
(Bankr. W.D.N.C. Aug. 2, 2013) (“[W]hen a request for discovery is overly broad on its
face or when relevancy is not readily apparent, the party seeking discovery has the
burden to show the relevancy of the request.” (quoting Cunningham v. Std. Fire Ins. Co.,
No. 07-02538, 2008 WL 2668301, at *4 (D. Colo. Jul. 1, 2008))).

        Moreover, as defendant points out, plaintiffs have failed to limit their sixth request
to the eleven identified categories of information. Instead, plaintiffs seek information
“including but not limited to” the identified categories. See Def.’s Mot. 10 (emphasis
added) (quoting Pls.’ Sixth Request). Defendant is correct that the plain text of plaintiffs’
sixth request is unbounded, and courts have found such language to be overbroad because
the testifying party is unable to prepare its witness to respond to such a request. For
example, in Reed v. Bennett, the court found:

       [P]laintiff’s Rule 30(b)(6) notice to be overbroad. Although plaintiff ha[d]
       specifically listed the areas of inquiry for which a 30(b)(6) designation [was]
       sought, she [also] indicated that the listed areas [were] not exclusive.
       Plaintiff broadens the scope of the designated topics by indicating that the
       areas of inquiry will “includ[e], but not [be] limited to” the areas specifically
       enumerated. An overbroad Rule 30(b)(6) notice subjects the noticed party to
       an impossible task. . . . Where, as here, the defendant cannot identify the
       outer limits of the areas of inquiry noticed, compliant designation is not
       feasible.

Reed v. Bennett, 193 F.R.D. 689, 692 (D. Kan. 2000) (emphasis added) (order, inter alia,
granting motion to quash Rule 30(b)(6) deposition notice, pending modification); accord
8A Charles Alan Wright et al., Federal Practice & Procedure § 2103 n.11, Westlaw
(database updated Apr. 2015) (quoting Reed, 193 F.R.D. 689); see also Tri-State Hosp.
Supply Corp. v. United States, 226 F.R.D. 118, 125 (D.C.D.C. 2005) (adopting Reed v.
Bennett reasoning to find an individual topic incorporating the phrase “including but not
limited to” to be overbroad).

       Accordingly, defendant’s motion is GRANTED as to plaintiffs’ sixth request.

       Plaintiffs, however, may revise and reissue their request. Plaintiffs are cautioned
to carefully review their request and take care to avoid reissuing an overbroad request.
For example, the court notes that plaintiffs requested information about “the proximity of
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retail stores and businesses” within 10 miles of each property. Using simple geometry—
with each property sitting at the center of a circle with a 10 mile radius—the court
concludes that plaintiffs requested information for an area comprising approximately 314
square miles. On its face, such a request is overbroad. Plaintiffs are cautioned that
should defendant again seek a protective order for plaintiffs’ revised sixth request, the
court will require plaintiffs to clearly explain the relevance of each category of requested
information under Penn Central.

       F.     Plaintiffs’ Seventh and Eighth Requests

       In their seventh request, plaintiffs seek testimony about the physical condition of
each property for a period of time ranging from twenty to twenty-four years, beginning
with the year in which each plaintiff developed or purchased the property, and ending
with the year in which the alleged taking of each property occurred.19 DA002, DA005,
DA008, DA011, DA014 & DA017.

       In their eighth request, plaintiffs seek testimony about both the rents received by
each property, and the actual market rents for the market in which each property is
located, for the same twenty to twenty-four year period of time.20 Id.

        For the seventh request, and for the portion of the eighth request that seeks
testimony about rents received by each property, defendant objects on the ground that the
time period for which plaintiffs seek information is overly broad and abusive. Def.’s
Mot. 14. While defendant acknowledges that testimony on both topics is relevant to the
economic impact prong, it asserts that “[u]nder Penn Central, the pertinent inquiry is the
economic effect of the Government regulation on [the] parcel as a whole at the time of
the alleged taking.” Id. (emphasis added) (citing Cienega X, 503 F.3d at 1280-82). Thus
defendant seeks a protective order narrowing the time period for both the “seventh and
eighth requests to the period beginning five years before the alleged takings.” Id.



19
       “The physical condition of [the property] from [the year of the property
development or purchase] through [the year of the alleged taking].” DA002, DA005,
DA008, DA011, DA014 & DA017 (No. 7). The year of property development or
purchase ranged from 1970 to 1973, and the year of the alleged taking ranged from 1991
to 1995.
20
       “The rents received by the property from [the year of the property development
or purchase] through [the year of the alleged taking], and the actual market rents for the
same period in the market in which [the property] was located.” Id. (No. 8).
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        Additionally, for the portion of the eighth request that seeks testimony about the
actual market rents for the market in which each property is located, defendant interprets
this request as seeking opinion testimony about hypothetical market rents for the First
Wave plaintiffs’ properties, which it contends plaintiffs must seek from a qualified
expert, not its Rule 30(b)(6) witness. Id. at 11-12. Accordingly, defendant seeks a
protective order to prevent plaintiffs from questioning its witness about this portion of the
eighth request.

       1.     Seventh Request – Physical Condition

        Plaintiffs argue that the testimony they seek is relevant to their investment-backed
expectations, and that defendant’s proposed five-year limitation would hinder their ability
to obtain relevant testimony. See Pls.’ Resp. 16. In opposing defendant’s motion,
plaintiffs take the position that “HUD’s views about the physical condition of the
properties from development through the prepayment date . . . are highly relevant.” Id.
(emphasis added). In support of this position, plaintiffs provide an example pertaining to
First Wave plaintiff Cedar Gardens and its owner, Mr. James Bancroft. Mr. Bancroft
testified that at the time he was developing Cedar Gardens, FHA representatives noted
that he appeared to be spending more money to build his property than was necessary; in
turn, Mr. Bancroft replied that he was doing so knowingly, as he wanted the property to
be easily convertible into a conventional market rent property at the expiration of the
twenty year prepayment restriction. See id. (citing PA063).

       But plaintiffs’ mere description of Mr. Bancroft’s conversation with a FHA
representative fails to explain how the FHA representative’s opinion about the physical
condition of his property is relevant to plaintiffs’ burden of proving their investment-
backed expectations. Nor have plaintiffs provided either an explanation or any authority
that would help explain their position. As defendant correctly has observed, plaintiffs
simply “provide no cogent support” for their position. Def.’s Reply 16.

        The Federal Circuit has stated that it is the owners’ expectations that are relevant
in the Penn Central analysis, not those of the United States. “In considering any requests
for further discovery, the court must recognize that the pertinent reasonable expectations
are those of the project owners, not of the United States.” Chancellor Manor, 331 F.3d at
906 n.8. Given this authority, the court is unable to find that the testimony of defendant’s
representative is relevant to plaintiffs’ investment-backed expectations.

       As to the economic impact prong, plaintiffs have offered no objection to
defendant’s proposed five-year limitation. Accordingly, the court concludes that five
years’ worth of information is sufficient for the purpose of the economic impact prong.

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        Defendant’s motion for a protective order for the seventh request is GRANTED
for the period beginning five years prior to the date of the alleged taking for the property
of each First Wave plaintiff.

       2.     Eighth Request – Rents Received

        Regarding the portion of the eighth request in which plaintiffs seek testimony
about the rents received by each property, plaintiffs assert that their request “directly
relate[s] to the economic impact and investment-backed expectations prongs of the Penn
Central test, as well as to damages,” and defendant’s attempt to limit this request to five
years prior to the date of the alleged taking is “unfair because it unreasonably constrains
exploration of a subject that is essential to the First Wave Plaintiffs’ claims.” Pls.’ Resp.
18. Plaintiffs, however, provide neither argument nor authority to support their
conclusory assertion.

        As an initial matter, damages discovery is premature at this stage of the
proceedings. The parties are now conducting fact and expert discovery. See Scheduling
Order, ECF No. 378. The court will not consider whether the information plaintiffs seek
is relevant to their possible damages.

        Regarding economic impact, the Federal Circuit has provided two possible, but
not exclusive, methods to determine economic impact, neither of which requires
information about rent payments dating back twenty years from the date of the alleged
taking.

       First, a comparison could be made between the market value of the property
       with and without the restrictions on the date that the restriction began (the
       change in value approach). The other approach is to compare the lost net
       income due to the restriction (discounted to present value at the date the
       restriction was imposed) with the total net income without the restriction over
       the entire useful life of the property (again discounted to present value).
       Neither approach appears to be inherently better than the other, and on
       remand the Court of Federal Claims should consider both as well as any other
       possible approaches that determine the economic impact of the regulation on
       the value of the property as a whole.

Cienega X, 503 F.3d at 1282 (footnote omitted) (internal citation omitted).

        While plaintiffs are correct that the relevant time for evaluating their investment-
backed expectations is the time of their investment, which in the case of the First Wave
plaintiffs is sometime between 1970 to 1973, plaintiffs provide no explanation as to how
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information on rents received by their properties in the early years of their investment is
relevant to their proof of their investment-backed expectations. Nor is this apparent in
the relevant authority. As the Federal Circuit has explained,

       [t]he first step of the [investment-backed expectations] analysis is to
       determine the actual investment that the general and limited partners made
       in the property. The second step is to determine the benefits that the owners
       reasonably could have expected at the time they entered into the investment.
       The third step is to determine what expected benefits were denied or
       restricted by the government action. . . . In other words, it is impossible to
       determine whether the owners’ expectations were reasonable without
       knowing the total value of the investment; its relationship to the benefits
       available to the owners, including any tax benefits; and the anticipated
       benefits that were denied or restricted by the government action. Finally, the
       claimant must establish that it made the investment because of its reasonable
       expectation of receiving the benefits denied or restricted by the government
       action, rather than the remaining benefits.

Id. at 1289 (footnote omitted).

        Plaintiffs have provided the court with nothing on which it could base a finding
that they need twenty years’ worth of information about rents received to prove either
economic impact or their investment-backed expectations. The court concludes that
plaintiffs’ request is overly broad.

       3.     Eighth Request – Actual Market Rents in the Market in Which Each
              Property Was Located

       Plaintiffs clarified the portion of their eighth request in which they seek testimony
about the “actual market rents . . . in the market in which [the property] was located.”
Plaintiffs seek “information about the market rents charged for comparable multi-family
properties in the same market in which . . . [each] Plaintiff’s property is located.” Pls.’
Resp. 17.

       The clarification notwithstanding, defendant continues to seek a protective order
precluding plaintiffs from seeking testimony about this portion of their eighth request, as
“HUD did not develop comparable rents,” therefore testimony about such rents must be
“obtained from a qualified expert—not from a Rule 30(b)(6) deposition of the United
States.” Def.’s Reply 13.


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       That defendant may have no responsive information does not provide good cause
for a protective order. See supra Part III.B (second request). Defendant is only
responsible for designating a witness to “testify about information known or reasonably
available to the organization,” RCFC 30(b)(6), however plaintiffs are not obliged to
accept defendant’s word for this. See, e.g., 8A Charles Alan Wright et al., Federal
Practice & Procedure § 2037, Westlaw (database updated Apr. 2015) (“A witness
ordinarily cannot escape examination by denying knowledge of any relevant facts, since
the party seeking to take the deposition is entitled to test the witness’s lack of
knowledge.”).

       Defendant’s motion for a protective order for the eighth request is GRANTED for
the period beginning five years prior to the date of the alleged taking for the property of
each First Wave plaintiff, but is otherwise denied.

IV.    Conclusion

       As discussed above, and summarized below, defendant’s motion for a protective
order is GRANTED-IN-PART and DENIED-IN-PART.

       Request                                        Ruling
 First Request        Defendant may limit its search to information from 1982 to 1996
                      from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development,
                      and any of its predecessors, the U.S. Government Accountability
                      Office, and any of its predecessors, and the Congressional Budget
                      Office. Defendant’s motion is otherwise denied.
 Second Request       Defendant may limit its search to information from 1988 to 1996
                      from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development,
                      and any of its predecessors, the U.S. Government Accountability
                      Office, and any of its predecessors, and the Congressional Budget
                      Office. Defendant’s motion is otherwise denied.
 Third Request        Plaintiffs are directed to identify those documents within each of
                      the six Washington Dockets about which it wishes to question
                      defendant’s Rule 30(b)(6) witness. Defendant’s motion is
                      otherwise denied.
 Fourth Request       Denied.
 Fifth Request        Denied.
 Sixth Request        Granted. Plaintiffs may revise and reissue their request.
 Seventh Request      Granted.
 Eighth Request       Defendant’s motion is granted for the period beginning five years
                      prior to the date of the alleged taking for the property of each First
                      Wave plaintiff. Defendant’s motion is otherwise denied.
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      This order triggers the due dates set in the current scheduling order, ECF No. 378.
The schedule for fact and expert discovery for the First Wave plaintiffs is set as follows:

       Event                               Date

       Fact discovery closes               March 7, 2016

       Affirmative expert reports due      March 28, 2016

       Rebuttal expert reports due         May 12, 2016

       Expert discovery closes             June 13, 2016

        The parties shall file a joint status report respecting discovery in non-First Wave
plaintiffs no later than April 25, 2016.

       IT IS SO ORDERED.


                                                  s/ Patricia E. Campbell-Smith
                                                  PATRICIA E. CAMPBELL-SMITH
                                                  Chief Judge




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